The real deal

[JulieC]

Well folks, what is the real deal of living in America, advantages and disadvantages and if you had your time over again would you have risked coming on a visa??

I think time over we wouldnt have come on E2, would have come on L1 but done it differently and would have spent more time looking for jobs so we could have gone H1b.

Advantages, the Florida weather in Fall, Winter and Spring, lovely spacious houses available cheaper in the US than the UK, more opportunity to live outside and a clean healthy lifestyle for kids and young people.

Disadvantages, boiling hot steamy wet summers, hurricanes, much more expensive to live here than you think ( unless you only want to buy jeans and Big Macs) , less holidays and longer hours than the UK, the cost of health care and insurance, immigration breathing down your necks all the while.

[Sharon]

Hi Julie

Yes I would agree with your comments

Just wish I had better immigration advise before moving to the USA. It seems we could have got an L visa after all but ended up buying a business and ending up with an E visa

I miss silly things like

Decent TV programs, Fish and chips, and the British sense of humor

[JulieC]

The Raglan Road Irish pub at Downtown Disney has a takeaway which does great fish and chips.
You can always change status E2 to L1 or even file directly for green card as an EB1(c) multinational manager provided the business has been running here for a year and qualifies in other respects, providing the company back in the UK is still running.

[mandybenn]

Hi

I am new to this website and am interested in your views on the E2 Visa.

We are looking to relocate in 2007. We have been advised to enter using an E2 visa. My husband is a Plumber of 25yrs. We were looking to buy a lawn Company with a view to expansion, i.e irrigation and pools etc. I own a Hair & Beauty Salon in the UK but would not work for the first 12 months having 2 children 18yrs and 15yrs. They will need placing in schools/college and I would need to support by being the taxi and need to understand all the utilities and laws etc.

Why do you think the L1 visa is better? can you give me any hints and tips?

Thanks

Mandy Benn

[JulieC]

Of course the L1 is better. The L1 will get you a green card after as little as 12 months, with the E2 you will probably never get one and your children are older which means you could start having problems with keeping them in the country in as littlle as three years when the first turns 21. All sorts of things open to you if you have a green card are closed to E2-ers. for example homestead exemption, medicare, rights for children over 21 to be educated at in state residents rates. right to retire etc. I dont know of one person on E2 who would not get off it if they could. The current renewal situation on E2 where you have to fight your way through a renewal every two years and in the UK is just one reason for this,

[fatbrit]

I am new to this website and am interested in your views on the E2 Visa...


The E2 has a major disadvantage: it ain't an immigrant visa and there is no way of directly converting it in to one. Sometimes it can make sense where there is a delayed route to permanent residency such as family sponsorship.

The L1 isn't an immigrant visa either but it can be converted to one. There are, I believe, two main issues with it:

1/ You need to already have an established and qualifying business in your home country which you run in parallel with the US one.

2/ Since the cap came into place on H1b visas (previously the most popular way of attining permanent residence through work), many have switched to trying the L1 method. Such a switch in numbers often results in a tightening of the regulations to counteract the increased numbers and may result in legislative changes as well. So you could be halfway through the process and they might shut the doors on it.

For your particular case so far described, have you thought what you are going to do with the kids when they age out? This is not going to be very far down the road and should be your main concern.

[mandybenn]

Hi

Thanks for your responses! I have thought a great deal about everything, mainly my children (which is a big reason for relocating). We are in contact with relocation experts who state that the Visa is the main issue, there are ways round the over 21's. Apparently if they remain in education it is not such a problem.

We are meeting with an Immigration Lawyer in July when we are in Florida for more advice but it helps a great deal to have live scenarios. E2 seems to be the most realistic and what we were expecting to do! but now I've heard all your comments we are seeing if there is any way we can use an L visa.

Trevor - Self Employed Plumber of 25 yrs, 1 employee
Mandy - Owner of Hair & Beauty Salon 4 employees

We could keep both running for the L visa but I don't think our companies are robust enough do you?

Thanks for all your help

Mandy

:confused:

[JulieC]

They are OK as long as in full time education but after 21 need to convert to F1 students visa, which makes them international students on high international students college fees. Then when they graduate, they need to find sponsorship for an H1b if these still exist by then as they are being capped out of existence. One way is to carry on and do a masters as there are 10,000 extra H1bs set aside for masters graduates on US colleges but that is yet more fees.
The other way round it apart from marriage seems to revolve around getting them their own business and own E2 but I do feel this just perpetuates the problem and lumbers your kids with the poor deal that you have got.

Remember with L1 the companies only have to be robust enough to last until you get your green card, this can be achieved now in about two years or even slightly less.

[Kriz1]

The L1 greencard is it a full one from day one...or for 2 years to start with...?

[JulieC]

Full one from day one.

[Kriz1]

We had a good deal and a contract with our H1B that gave my husband 5 years pay not matter what happened....the company he worked for in the UK was going under...we had nothing to lose...we were happy in the UK....and for the most part have been happy here...we have had many downs over the last few years...but we're still carrying on....
I never knew the risks of coming on an H1B...soon learnt them when friends were sent home after a take over....would I have come if I knew what could happen....not if we had a job in the UK that was safe....I still don't know if it was the best move for my kids....they have both had a hard time here on and off...but times would of been a lot harder for us in the UK with no work....you never know what is best for your kids....I just wanted to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads....and moving to the USA has done that and more for over 6 years....

[mandybenn]

Hi

It's great listening to all of you who have taken the big step to relocate. It is such a big decision when all your friends and family are in the UK.

Let me tell you! I think you made the right choice. The situation in the UK for children is grim. My brother in law has just sold his Department Store for property development (luxury apartments). A percentage of these must be given to Asylum Seekers (6 in total) and my brother in law must buy either a bus pass or rail card to each apartment for 3 yrs from his profit. This is a government ruling as they wish to look good in Europe. I have no political views!, however my own children have no chance of getting on the property ladder and no funding is going in to educating our young. The government have just given pensioners free bus travel during the day, I'm sure they would rather have money off their ever growing Poll Tax. what are they giving to our next generation?

We need to look at a more relaxed future for ourselves and a brighter future for our children. At least in the USA they study for longer and are very family orientated. The main issue is getting in!!

The UK could do with looking at the same immigration rules but it is very slack. I also feel that it's not for ever if you don't settle then you could always go back.

We are spending this year researching before our big step next year. My son is going to Camp America for 10 weeks in June (New Jersey) to see how he gets on with American children and to make friends.

We have a villa in Rolling Hills and are either looking around Orlando or Sarasota. What does anyone think? Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Mandy

[Kriz1]

Its a hard life for kids in the US too...if you live in the wrong area...parents lose a job..or have a low paid one..I live in New England....on Cape Cod one of the riches areas in the US....most of the kids here work 30 plus hour weeks and do school full time from age 14....that is normal even for what we would call the middle classes....no hope of ever finding a place to live..a lot of homes have 3 families in them....kids live in their cars....most shop working families live in motel rooms....mum dad 2 kids in one room....some stay here because the school system is one of the best in the US and they are waiting for their kids to leave school...most because even in bad times this is still their home ...the place they were born...so its hard to leave....I've lived in some of the poorest areas in England....but nothing I've seen in England is anything like what I see here....
Most Brits will go through their stay in the USA without coming across the people I have ....I know that....but it is out there....in every State...
There is a bit of a myth about family life in the US....parents work long hours..most have 2 jobs....mothers spend lots of time driving their kids to everything dance classes hockey etc.. spending little real time with their kids....no network of new mums for coffee mornings...having a baby can leave you very alone if you stay at home...most young mothers work...little holiday time...
America can be a very hard country to live in when you are down...I know we have been there....I'm not saying this to put anyone off...because none of this will affect most Brits...but just so you know its out there...and that deep down all countries have the same problems....

[fatbrit]

Let me tell you! I think you made the right choice. The situation in the UK for children is grim. My brother in law has just sold his Department Store for property development (luxury apartments). A percentage of these must be given to Asylum Seekers (6 in total) and my brother in law must buy either a bus pass or rail card to each apartment for 3 yrs from his profit. This is a government ruling as they wish to look good in Europe. I have no political views!, however my own children have no chance of getting on the property ladder and no funding is going in to educating our young. The government have just given pensioners free bus travel during the day, I'm sure they would rather have money off their ever growing Poll Tax. what are they giving to our next generation?

We need to look at a more relaxed future for ourselves and a brighter future for our children. At least in the USA they study for longer and are very family orientated. The main issue is getting in!!

The UK could do with looking at the same immigration rules but it is very slack. I also feel that it's not for ever if you don't settle then you could always go back.


There are an estimated 11 million illegal aliens in the US; that's 4% of the population! And this number is a low estimate and certainly does not include legal immigrants, refugees, asylees, etc. These 11 million are the ones with absolutely no status whatsoever. If you're hoping to escape immigrants, this is not the place!

The U.S. has a similar housing program for the disadvantaged -- it's known colloquially as "Section 8". In addition, planning permission for new condos/townhouses is often conditioned by local authorities to provide units for low-income families.

Generally, I find the government here is more convoluted and less answerable to the people than European ones.

In many areas of the US, young people, especially singles, have little or no hope of getting on the property ladder. This has been the case for some time in areas such as California and NY, but has spread out recently with the housing boom. Surprisingly, the illegal aliens are some of the biggest buyers of property here in AZ since they will often put 2 or 3 families in a single house. A newly qualified schoolteacher, for example, would find it impossible for their sole income to support even the smallest condo here in metropolitan Phoenix.

There are plenty of taxes in America but they are more spread out. Okay, income tax seems to offer a saving. But there are plenty of others to make up for it. Instead of having a local and national governemnt, you have many more levels all collecting revenue from you.

Life in America is not relaxed. The work ethic and the cost of living mean that most people actually work harder and have less free time than they would in England.

American immigration policy and its enforcement is not a role model I would put forward, I'm afraid!

To finish, I agree wholeheartedly with the brighter future. Despite all I have said, America is still the land of opportunity and your future can be bright.

[mandybenn]

Heck!! :(

The general view from most of you is that it is exhausting in the States. Should we reconsider? The idea is to have a better life and a better opportunity for our children. Are you all unhappy out there? Would you come home?

We currently visit 3 times a year and usually renovate the villa and visit other cities. We see that Florida is very busy but the pace seems much slower. A friend of ours is living in Sarasota and has settled over the last year and their children are much happier as the schools work at a slower pace which suits one of their boys ( curriculum spread over more years ).

Do you think that it depends on how well off you are?

Sorry if I'm being direct but I need the cold hard facts!

Cheers

Mandy

[JulieC]

If you are comiing on E2, find a good business and then go there. Dont opt for Orlando because your holiday home is there, that is what we did and have since sold it!! It may be harder to find a decent business in Orlando as it is where most people want to live, so there are fewer for sale and they tend to be more expensive than say Jacksonville or Tampa. I personally like Sarasota but there are a lot of people wanting to move there too., A good business is paramount, nothing else is that important, certainly not proximity to the theme parks which you soon get fed up with.

Think what you would enjoy doing, and would you enjoy it even if there was not sun is the test, If you have a bad business and are miserable doing what you do, doing it in the sun doesnt make up for it. I am in property management which is an in the box business along with poolcare, lawns, cleaning and maintenance work. Many owners opt for these as they are familiar, I know I did, but they are not the only businesses in the world.

Exhausting? Well Americans seem to work longer hours and have less holidays and if you want to remain competitive you cant slack, those of us in the holiday industry are on call all the time, and working outside in the sunshine can be exhausting but you do get used to it and it becomes a way of life. Dont worry about kids, they usually love it and do well.

I am not unhappy with my lot. I am unhappy with my immigration hassles, if I had a green card I would be ecstatic. My business took three years to build up but we are doing ok now, still not as much as we would have been earning with us both working in the UK as professionals, but enough for a decent lifestyle, though we do feel poor compared to our UK homeowners when they come out and poorer still when we go home. And dont underestimate the cost of living here, as a resident it is dearer than you think. Would I go home? Not willingly but may have to sooner or later. The main reasons for going home are immigration problems for you or your kids, either renewals or kids aging out, or sickness either of someone here or of elderly relatives abroad, never say never.

[Kriz1]

Money is everything....bring enough and you'll only have the immigration problems...
People moving to the US just have to remember that the problems a lot of you see in England are here too....
I give a lot of thought to going back to the UK after my husband lost his job....I'd be happier poor in the UK than in the USA...but we had a plan in place to let us stay here....we had greencards so it was easy to move somewhere else for work....money and planning is everything....I can't say that enough....
If Brits had no worrries about being sent back to the UK or their kids being sent back...and had no money worries I think 99% of them would be more than happy here.......

[JulieC]

True, I would not want to be here without money, there is not the safety net that there is in the UK, not for us anyway, I am assuming green card holders can claim social security though I have no idea how much that is. But you see so many people in their 70s and 80s still working here, they wouldnt be working unless they had to, medical insurance is the biggie. In the US, you are alright if you are alright.

[Kriz1]

I think we would get a few hundred a month as it stands now...not enough to buy food .....and far from enough to keep a roof over our heads....the main breadwinner going down sick is our biggest worry....no or little income and high healthcare bills would drive us out of the US....

[floridapete]

Mandy, listen to these people and take head of their experience and their warnings. They have already learned the hard and expensive way that Florida (or anywhere in the USA) is not the 'paved with gold' place that many would-be emigrant Brits seem to think it is.

I always feel rather sad for Brits who, like you, write about the kind of life that they have here in Britain so downheartedly. They want to escape 'to a better lifestyle' by moving 4,000 miles, to a 'friendly' but foreign country, with different levels of income and expense that you have really never seen as simply a tourist there, with weather patterns and climate that you have never previously had to suffer and work in as a tourist, and with educational, healthcare and cost of living considerations that you never had to face with the strength of the Pound safe in your pocket.

I always wonder why such people only think of 'upping sticks' to go so far - when they could up sticks anyway and travel just a few miles to find a completely different lifestyle, here in friendly old Britain ?

You live, I see, in Bradford. Now I have nothing against Bradford - but - it's hardly the centre of 'beautiful Britain' is it, although Holmfirth, Haworth and the wonderful Pennines are right on your doorstep. It is still the 'west riding', however, with all the echoes of the industrial revolution that this entails, with the large immigrant population (many of whom are honest, hardworking people - but some who aren't) and all of that colours your environment.

But there are MANY other places in Britain which would offer much better standards of living, of education, of 'quality of life' and cost of living.........and you just have to look into North Yorkshire to see a marked difference - that's just about 40 miles away from you and a world away in terms of quality !

You would have no problems with immigration (we would let you in without a visa), no language or ethnic differences, no problems with the bureaucracy of change, your healthcare would be looked after, your kids would be educated in an environment they know but better. They would not have to leave the country at age 21 yrs and live with that sword hanging over their heads for years before.

If you are leaving the UK for reasons of immigrants, taxes, politicians, education, low income vs. high cost of living - well, guess, what welcome to America, they have those problems too !

It is a fallacy to think that living is cheaper in the USA - IT IS NOT ! It is a complete myth based on (what used to be) the price of petrol/gas. Even that no longer is !

So, Mandy, I urge you to think this thing through extremely carefully before you jump straight from fat into fire.

Take a look into North Yorkshire, into the Lake District, into other areas of Britain (and well away from the crowded South East) where the quality of life and living is MUCH more agreeable than perhaps Bradford is........before you make such a big move that may, even then, not measure up.

I have spoken to many Americans on my travels who would just 'lurve' to move to Britain to live. It's always greener................!

[Kriz1]

"If you are leaving the UK for reasons of immigrants, taxes, politicians, education, low income vs. high cost of living - well, guess, what welcome to America, they have those problems too !"

You sound like me..LOL!

I would say our taxes are a lot lower...for us anyway....education in High School...is there such an animal...?? Middle schools...make the most of them...I can't speak highly enough of American Middle Schools....bring your kids over at 9..10..11...they will have every help fitting in...don't miss a parent night...look at every bit of work done by your kids....take no notice of the high grades they may get when they first come over....in a lot of places kids from other countries go into honour groups to give them a leg up....in the case of English kids it can be because they are way ahead ....bordom can drop their grades after a few years...so keep on top of the school to push your kids....what an American school will look on as good work will shock you sometimes...my sons A+ English at 14 was work I would expect from a 6 year old...I live in a State with one of the best education systems in the US...most of FL is at the bottom....the US school system teaches kids to graduate from school......that is just my 2 cents....but a lot of others feel the same way I do once their kids go to High School...if you're on an E2 and think there is any chance you'll be taking your kids back to the UK...home school them yourself at weekends and evenings using anything you can find from UK schools on the net...
The cost of living is high here....I had to double all my bills....FL is cheaper than a lot of Northern States for food and normal day to day bills like heating and cooling...but Car Ins is a lot higher so is property tax ..its always swings and roundabouts..
I would also say think out of the box if going on an E2.....there is a lot more to the US than FL ...we may not always have warm weather...but the Northern States have a lot to offer....lovely summers...springs and falls....maybe hard winters .....but winter sports are fun....good workers...people stay at their jobs for a long time....the cost of living is high...but if you do your homework...and find people to talk to all over the US to give you advice about their daily costs you could plan for higher bills...you could find it easier to get an E2 and keep it somewhere else besides FL........
We were at a point of losing everything a few years ago after my hubby lost his job...but planning now means we are back stronger than before...we are a lot better off right now than we would of been after a job loss in the UK...money is very tight ..but we have a better life than most people....
A good reason to come to America is to live a different life...meet new people...and find new friends...don't run away from the few bad things in the UK...because you'll only find them here too...

[JulieC]

Lets go through these one by one.

Immigrants. Yep there are loads here, 11 million illegal ones not to mention the illegal!! The difference is that many in the UK bludge on the state, dont say they dont because that is what I used to do in the UK ( work with assylum seekers re welfare rights). Here the immigrants graft, yes even the illegal ones graft illegally. I have employed some ( legals) so I know, have a couple of Columbians at the mo, but when I ran a cleaning co I had Columbians, Guatamalans, Puerto Ricans and Pioles, all real hard grafters and no trouble, would employ them in preference to most Americans any day.

Taxes. After three years I have still to pay any. We pay it and get a refund each year when we put our return in. But I am aware this is because we are writing off the costs of getting here, high healthcare costs from when I broke my arm last year and my sons college costs. On $6000 salary monthly we get deducted $1100 by Paychex, though a little of that will be medicare and social security which we pay into and cant claim! On top of that we pay $400 a month on health insureance with a $3000 deductible. That is $1500 a month deductions. My son says that is a lot less than he pays in the UK. Sales tax at around 7 percent is less than the 17.5 percent in the UK. But property tax is higher, my $8500 pa is at least twice what I used to pay for a similar home in the UK.

Politicians. Enough said, George Bush or Tony Blair, its a toss up!

Education. US is actually behind the UK, but then they start school later here. Brit kids do excell at school but it evens out at college. There is no problem unless kids educated in the US have to return home where they usually find themselves behind.

Low income against high cost of living. Anyone who has been here on holiday and never paid car insurance ( phew, mine is still $4000 a year for two vehicles after 3 years!), health insurance, homeowners insurance, workers compensation, or property tax probably thinks the cost of living is low. Food isnt low either only Big Macs and if you live on them, you get fat. Even petrol is creeping up. Only clothes, shoes, and elecrtrical appliances are low cost. As for low income. the average income for a family in Polk county is only $35000. I dont know how they live on that. I dont know how my cleaners live on what they are paid, how do they fill their tanks with gas, but you try and put the cost of a clean up and get that past homeowners. You need a business producing at least $60,000 pa owner benefit to live at all here, $70,000 is better, those are the sort of figures that the embassy is looking for, and for a reason.

What is good about it?? T
The sun. Yes, the winters are nice, though you can keep the hot steamy summers with the hurricanes. not nice to work outside in.
Nicer houses cheaper. Yes still even now though the prices have gone up.
Less crime. Having been the victim of crime to the person several times in the UK, I feel 100 percent safer here.
Cleaner healthier lifestyle for kids and teens. Ni hanging around street corners, no going to pubs and getting blotto at 15, no lager loutism. Lots of clean healthy pursuits, sports. outdoor lifestyle, films and coffee shops. By the time they are 21, they have grown out of all that and the urge has passed them.

[mandybenn]

Hi Pete :rolleyes:

I understand what you are saying, however a friend of ours has made that move and feels it's the best thing they could have done for their family.

Do you live in the USA? What is your experience of living in the States?

I know there are some lovely places in England, however it costs a fortune to get a 'smaller' property. The weather in the Lakes and in England in general is grim. I know my parents and other pensioners don't go out very much in the winter due to dark evenings and the cold.

I currently pay private healthcare due to long waits on the NHS. My mum waited 10 months this year for a Gall stone op which made her lose 2 stone with the worry and wait. I know NHS is there but our hospitals are in a poor state.

I think if we don't give it a go we may regret it. Home is never far away.

We visit our friends who moved to Florida in July and we can see how we feel. I will be looking at every avenue before our final decision 2007.

Thanks for your input

Mandy

[Kriz1]

My parents moved to Wales...they are always out and about...they love having a bit of snow...seeing the mountains....it was the last place I thought they would end up...

[JulieC]

Whats right for some isnt always right for others. The disadvantages affect anyone, I dont think anyone is immune, but not everyone will tell you about them. There are many good points too and I think everyone on here will tell you both sides of the story. I am the first to say go for it and no more what ifs provided you are well prepared and no rose coloured glasses.

[wanderersfan]

Well folks, what is the real deal of living in America, advantages and disadvantages and if you had your time over again would you have risked coming on a visa??

I think time over we wouldnt have come on E2, would have come on L1 but done it differently and would have spent more time looking for jobs so we could have gone H1b.

Advantages, the Florida weather in Fall, Winter and Spring, lovely spacious houses available cheaper in the US than the UK, more opportunity to live outside and a clean healthy lifestyle for kids and young people.

Disadvantages, boiling hot steamy wet summers, hurricanes, much more expensive to live here than you think ( unless you only want to buy jeans and Big Macs) , less holidays and longer hours than the UK, the cost of health care and insurance, immigration breathing down your necks all the while.

[wanderersfan]

Im a new user and me and my family have been in florida for 5 years now on an E-2 visa. As we have come to find out (like many others) there is no transition to a green card. Our next renewal is in 2 years and would like to know if any users have any suggestions for getting away from the E-2. We would love to get a green card and are wondering if there is anything we can be doing over the next 2 years to convert?
Like many others its the uncertaincy of maybe having to go back to the UK, our son was only 9 months old when we came and thinks of this as his home , our daughter was born here so it is her home.
appreciate any help
john

[JulieC]

If one of you is an E2 dependant rather than full E2 holder, get an EAD and get a job in an area where there is a shortage and work on your employer to apply for labor certification for you as there is no American to do the job and then an 1-140 immigrant petition as a skilled worker. That is pretty much the only way except marrying an American or somehow raising $500,000 for EB5.

[wanderersfan]

Hi Julie,
Thanks for the reply, not to sound thick but you lost me with some of the terminoligy, my wife was on as an E-2 holder but on the last renewal she was put in as a dependant and had a work autherization card but didnt actually get a job with the kids not being in full time school.
does it matter what your skill is for an employer to sponsor you?. I have actually been talking to a welsh family who have done just that but her skill is a degree in nursing. Needless to say they sailed thru it. I wish i had found this site a long time ago as the input is great.
thanks john

[JulieC]

Sorry EAD is emloyment authorisation document and is the work permission your wife had though it needs to be renewed if it is a had not have. Nurses actually dont need labor certification to be sponsorred for I-140 immigrant petition as a skilled worker, they are one of the professions where there is such a shortage that there is no need to prove you cant find an American to do the job to the Dept of Labor. Physical therapy is another. Other professions need labor certification ie you need to prove it is in an area of skills shortage and there is no American who can do the job. So shop assistant wouldnt work but shop assistant in a British shop who has a specialist knowledge of British food might. So yes it does matter what the job is and it needs some research.

[wanderersfan]

Hi Julie,
Thanks for the explanation, does it matter if my wife does a nursing course here to gain a qualification?? If not then we have 2 years to put it into motion as there are nursing colleges here. I have no idea how long such a course is , in the UK its about 4 years (full time)
my sister in law is a physical therepist and thought of coming here but went to aussy instead, if i had known i would have encouraged her more to come here as she has friends in ft lauderdale. food for thought.....
john

[JulieC]

You can do an associates degree in nursing which is two years. Not sure if that will get you a 1-140 though or you need to do the final two years to get bachelors. Problem is getting a place. My local community college wouldnt give nursing places to visa holders. reason we have a huge shortage of nurses said they and cant risk you going back to your native country to nurse. Laugh, I could have cried.

[Dette]

Don't be fooled that it is easy to get a green card here even on an L visa, certainly not in "a year".
We have lived here for over 8 years on an L2 Visa. We filed for our permanent residency over 3 years ago (9/11 almost wiped my DH's employers out and it took a while to get back on track!) We are still waiting to hear if we will be approved and can get no follow up info at all. Our attorney is ignored by the immigration people. We were told to go through the Texas office as it is faster - right!
Meanwhile our kids cannot get even part time jobs, Dh has had no pay increase in 8 years, not even cost of living, has almost no holidays and works long hours and of course can't change his job. Getting good life and medical insurance is a joke. Good job we love it here and our kids are so settled.

[chris]

I agree with most of what has been said so far. Swings and roundabouts and good for some bad for others. Been here since 2000 on an E2. Would I do it all again? Most definately NO. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. The killer for us - the visa red tape.
The sad part is the US will be the ultimate loser as it will surely lose people with a good work ethic and bright kids.
What the US will end up with is more non-english speakers, low educational levels among the kids and an increasingly negative work ethic (mainly Yanks I'm afraid to say).
Can I live on $35,000 pa - yes I do. It's a tough balancing act, but yes we do it. You can surprise yourself with what you can acheive if you have to.
Would I go back to the UK? That's a tough one. We've considered France, Spain and Portugal. At least we don't have any visa issues there.

[paulbweb]

After reading these posts in frustration and seeing that there are good law abiding people who are willing to risk everything they have to come here, I find it hard to understand the fairness and common sense of the US immigation system. Spend a few hundred grand buying a business and make a major contribution to the American economy and theres no real guarantee of a greencard. However if you come across illegally, break the immigration laws, you don't have to spend $200g on a business, just pay a $2g fine and your on the road to citizenship.

I think the problem is that politically the British community in the USA isn't an organised major vocal force compared to other immigrant groups. Until the British community becomes a powerful lobby group in the politics of this country the madness and injustice of this system will remain.

The truth is a British soldier who risks life and limb fighting this war on terror has less chance of immigrating to the USA than an Afghani taliban.

[chris]

The British over here could be a force to be reckoned with if only they would get them selves organised better. I have said this many times before and I'll say it again. As E2'rs we do not have a vote, so we are supposedly voiceless. Yet amongst the Brits here on E2's that group must employ many US citizens, all of whom have a vote and therefore a voice. If there livelihoods depends on the E2's don't you think they'd have something to say?

[paulbweb]

Well illegal aliens can't vote either, (well in theory anyway) but they have a voice. I'm not talking about your mom and pop businesses, I'm talking about the ACLU, other civil rights groups, big business like casinos as well as the media. It can be done, it just needs organisation and people need to speak up and speak out. Infact the case for E2's being put on a path to a green card makes more sense and would be far more appealing to Americans than the illegal alien fiasco.

[floridapete]

Problem is that nobody is ever identified as 'English American' or 'British American' in the same way that many people claim to be Irish Americans, African Americans. Hispanic Americans etc. etc. Either those English American people don't exist in high office and on 'the hill' or they are too shy to be seen as such.

And there lies the problem.........the reason why the Irish get such a great shake in the USA is that they have clearly identifiable Irish American politicians working on their behalf and on their concerns (i.e. protecting IRA bombers now resident in the USA from possible extradition under the new treaty which they refuse to ratify) and they have done over many years. The Latinos have hispanic politicians who are now fighting their causes - including the cause of the illegals.

But English/British American politicians ? Can you name me even one ?

Whilst there is always a 'fascination' with the English accent over there ("oh ain't that cute - say it again" gawdhelpus) and they are always all intent in 'making it over to Europe someday' (but most of them never will) there is also a certain caution of the British in America and I was never sure why. Could it be that their history classes instill in them a fear of the British because of the war of independence ? On the other hand I get e-mails from Americans every year wishing me 'Happy 4th July' and they just don't seem to realise why we should not also be happy on that day !

Or is there a case for their feeling (as some have told me in the past) that the British are somehow more 'stuffy', superior or aloof than the average Yank - and so they feel inferior to us ? Do we strike them as 'pushy', more intelligent, more worldly (well, we ARE that) ? Who knows ?

But it is a fact that, taken together, the British in America could form quite a power group - if they could only find British American political representation, and if they all had a vote !

But until then .....................!

[Kriz1]

If most Brits are like me..they will have nothing to do with this Irish American... African American rubbish...you just become an American...that was born in England...or you just think of yourself as a Brit with a US passport...I don't forget my background...customs that have been in my family for hundreds of years from other countries are just dying out with me....but its seems very rude to stick your place of birth before the country that you now call home...its not like many people have even been to Africa etc for that matter ....let along been born there...my grandson is American...he may end up knowing more about the world then most Americans...and growing up in my care most of the time ...he'll pick up a lot of Brit ways...but no matter what you'll never get me to call him Anglo American....

If I went into politics in the USA...I would do things for the good of the country..not a group....

[chris]

Politics is about serving groups, whether its a geographcial section of voters, a cultural section of voters, a particular industry. That's what it is all about. We contribute to this site because we care about a particular group - us. Maybe that's why many americans are why they are who think only of the me rather than the us. Maybe that's why they are so blinkered and less wordly wise. Maybe if they got off the couch, put down the big back and got out in the world they may even begin to understand that there is more to life than Saturday night football, etc. I was recently on a course with a load of americans. One guy who worked for the utility company was an ex-marine. His view was that every american should go overseas and do something for the good of the world or at least see what was out there. His travels had opened his eyes to what the world was about.

[Kriz1]

When you serve just a group...you don't care if you step on other peoples toes...you have to look outside your group to see what impact you're having on the rest of the country...not doing that is why everything is in such a mess...I'm alright Jack...and I've done my bit sod the rest of you...
If you don't look outside your group you could get hit with by backlash...like the illegals did with their marches...I come here because the people on this forum are or should be part of America not a group within it...I care not just about their troubles...but the troubles of everyone in this country...

[InnVic]

Chris - I have to disagree although politics may serve a group..most "politicians" have only self interest and personal power at heart. We'd been here four months when the local select woman or congress woman (I don't know what she was exactly she didn't stay round long enough to clarify) walked into our business and started 'campaigning". It was blatent, do you know what I can do for you etc... "great I said..we need someone with influence to help us with our visa situation"...So she said "I can count on your vote" when I told her we had no right to vote she literally turned on her heels and left without so much as a by your leave! Americans are taught in school about the revolution, "no taxation without representation" . Well if its deemed a constitutional right for Americans then why about us?? We have to do something. If we can form a committe and perhaps do some PR or mailing campagin/lobbying then it just may have some effect. We shouldn't let fear of retribution from the immigration service prevent us from standing up for this universal right. We are after all a pretty "ballsy" bunch. Its takes courage and persistance to get here on an E2 in the first place. If you're prepared give up at the first hurdle and just keep your head down then we're enabling this flawed system to persist and perpetuating the distress and anxiety of all future visa applicants.

[paulbweb]

I remember reading a book about English-Americans and it said that the English were the only group not to hyphenate, because at one time there was very little difference between American culture and English culture so assimulation was easier. The same reason you never here the term English-Australian too. The English influence in this country is so huge its almost invisible. The language, English common law, values system, culture were brought here by English immigrants. As far as English-American politicans there are many. Infact much of the elite money class in this country are Anglo Americans whos' ancestors came here in the 1600's. The former democratic vice presidential candiate John Edwards is English American. Even Bush has blue blood. Type English American on Wilkpedia and you will be suprised. George Washington, John Quincy Adams, Caspar Weinberger, Gerald Ford, Howard Dean, Wesley Class, Buddy Holly, General Robert E. Lee, Walt Disney, John Dickinson (congressman) and many more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:English_Americans

Below is a link to a great article written by an American gentleman who lives in Virginia, the birthplace of English America about the English in America

http://www.wearetheenglish.com/america.htm

Most politicians claim Irish ancestry as a way to get the Irish American vote, however many omit the fact that they are Protestant Irish like Ronald Reagan. You probably find that a large amount of English people have closer Irish ancestry than most Irish Americans, I know I do, as most of the Irish came here in the 1800's. The Irish were heavily discriminated against so they formed their own groups and got into positions of power to protect their people, their rights and their interests. The Hispanics do the same thing, look at Miami, as do Black Americans and Asian-Americans

One thing I have learnt living in this country is, if you don't speak out nothing will be done. That doesn't just go for politics, that also goes for everyday life, including eating out in a restaurant. If the food is bad, the manager won't know or do anything unless you make a complaint. Those who yell out get heard. Sticking up for your group doesn't mean your treading on or infringing upon the rights of others, it means you are asserting yourself and saying that we are here too, we count. I read that there are half a million Brits living in Florida which is quite a sizable number. If the British community organised themselves better in politics and became more vocal and active, they would get attention and politicans will listen.

[paulbweb]

The fact is we are a group in this country, yes every group has troubles, but the other groups have people looking out for their interests. The Brits don't. Asking that E2's get the opportunity to obtain a greencard isn't going to hurt any other group. The backlash against the illegals was caused by the high cost and effects of illegal immigration, the marches with foreign flags, Demanding to be legalized, saying that this was their land, telling white Americans to go back to Europe and saying it all in Spanish. Americans saw this as "bloody cheek" The English aren't going to march down the street with Union Jacks and demand that the land be returned to the crown, there are other forms of pressure that can be applied that aren't offensive and invasive.

The fact is all E-2's own businesses, which give them a certain amount of influence in the areas they live, especially amongst the local politicians. The key is to organise and unite these business owners, form an organisation, find politicans who are sympathetic, make donations to their political campaign and start lobbying. The E-2 system is good for the economy because it draws investment and creates jobs for Americans. Politicians love that, it makes them popular. However if people don't have a light at the end of the E-2 tunnel, there could very well be a loss of interest in buying a business and this could affect the flow of investment and American jobs . Politicans and business doesn't want to see this and I think many Americans would sympathize with this. Another positive thing is that with all the terrorist trouble and the show of British support after 911 Britain and the Brits are looked on very favorably by Americans.

[floridapete]

"Another positive thing is that with all the terrorist trouble and the show of British support after 911 Britain and the Brits are looked on very favorably by Americans."

Are they indeed ? I'm not at all sure about that !

Most Americans will have long forgotten about Tony standing 'shoulder to shoulder' with George W. on 9/11 and soon after. They will mostly have no recognition of our forces engaged and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan right now - as US media only ever shows American military there.

As to terrorism and security - I get the feeling that being 'British' is now getting to be a tarnished nationality with many of the Dept. of Homeland Security and USCIS people who look no further than the 'shoe bomber' and an arms runner who claimed British nationality to justify their positive discrmination AGAINST the British at that level.

I know this specifically because of the reply I had from a Congresswoman a couple of years back about the possibility of a Retirees Visa ever (i.e. never) becoming available - and especially not for British retirees because of the two persons referenced above.

Yes, right now some Americans (and only the 'thinking' some at that) may be grateful and respectful that our British special investigations people perhaps saved a lot of US deaths last week - but that will not be found across 'average America' and not for long.

[paulbweb]

Sorry Pete, but I have to disagree. Yes some media outlets give little coverage to the British involvement in Iraq, but not all. Fox News gives alot of coverage and time to the British involvement in Iraq as well as heaping praise on the Brits for stopping the latest attack. I know this may have something to do with the fact that Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch and Sky, but it is the most watched cable news in America, beating all the others combined.
After the 7/7 bombings there was alot of sympathy and waving of Union Jacks, because the Americans hadn't forgot the British reaction after 911.
From my experience ,most enlightened Americans know the UK is the only friend they have and they know that the UK was the first one to step up to the plate after 911 and they actually like Tony Blair more than we do.
I can understand their concern with British Muslims, but most enlightened people know these British terrorists are Muslim first. Thing is if they wanted to attack America, its easier to come in on a visa waiver than go through the invasive lengthy process of obtaining an E2. The thing is E-2 people are already here, living and working here. Richard Reid wasn't coming here on an E-2 so I don't understand that congesswomans logic, especially when there are Irish terrorists living freely here.

[InnVic]

You've hit the nail on the head Paul. Its that middle class British "reserve" and sense of fair play working against us. We're taught to play by the rules..no matter how archaic they may seem. Most of us decided to leave the UK because we were dissillusioned with the culture of "enabling" that went on there. Even when done for the right reasons this "British" attitude is perceived as a sign of weakness and sends out signals that we can be abused (hence the UK immigration fiasco) and its taken for granted that we won't rock the boat. Well welcome to America....even though we're only temporary residents we are RESIDENTS, and we have all the same obligations as other residents and citizens but with few of the benefits. Perhaps its time to stand up and be counted. Don't get me wrong I LOVE it here..but I want to know that I can stay here to work my business the way I want to. the employ citizens and contribute to the local economy - without the stress of possible visa denial due to the whim of some Immigration clerk.

[paulbweb]

Your absolutely right, the big problem is that unlike other groups the British tend to suffer in silence than make a fuss. Take it on the chin and keep a stiff upper lip and don't complain used to be the rule of the day, but it doesn't work here. The fact is if a persons future and livelyhood depends on the whim of an immigration officer, that person really has nothing too lose from trying to seek a fairer deal. The stories I read about people who's kids can't get a part time job or have to leave when they are independent because of their status is terrible. People shouldn't have to live with that kind of worry & uncertainty.

Logically speaking E2's have a much more logical and reasonable case for obtaining a greencard than illegal immigrants. The argument by the pro-illegals is that these people come here penniless, work hard and do the jobs Americans won't do. Well E2's come here legally, invest a ton of money in a business, work hard and supply Americans with jobs.

[InnVic]

I agree with everything you've said apart from the fact that I'm not sure I actually want a Green card. In principle I have no problem with the E2 visa IF it is administered in a fair and compassionate manner. If we could all be fairly certain that as long as we comply with the business plan and the basic principles upon which the visa was issued in the first place, then re-issue would be almost automatic, I'm sure we'd all be a little more comfortable here. There is no reason why they cannot streamline the system, there is no reason why hardworking people should be made to feel "unclean and criminal" there is no reason why we should have to return to London to visit the US embassy (which is actually US territory) to have our passports stamped. The system is flawed - but given some motivation they have no reason not to change it.

[chris]

Well done Paul for some spot on threads. I'm glad that someone has good aim with a hammer!
The British find it easier to moan than to complain. Thats why the Aussies call us wingeing poms. The Brits need to channel that pent up frustration into positve energy and I think they would accomplish much more than they currently do. The E2'rs with their investment in the US and the rules about employing US citizens do create added wealth for this country and its citizens, yet those very same investors are treated shabbily indeed. If you compare the E2 and L1 visa as far as the US activities are concerened they are more or less identical. Yet one converts to GC, the other doesn't. Maybe whoever dreamed that one up was Irish-American! Very few Brits here want to take, take take. Rather they simply want the chance to invest their money, work hard and make a business prosper with the locals benefitting as a result. I am sure that such a simple argument made to the right decision makers would win hearts and minds. As far as InnVics comment about wanting a GC. I think most would like the opportunity to make that decision if offered to them.
The most worrying feature I find about the complaining bit is the climate of fear that has been created by the London Embassy. Most do not want to rock the boat for fear of being turned down for their visa. That worries me intensely, especially within a country that prides itself on freedom of speech and freedom in general - irrespective of whether you are american or not.

[InnVic]

Chris, regarding the choice to have a green card..my point is that when applying for your E2 visa we were all aware (assuming you have done your research properly and/or have a reputable lawyer) that this is unlikely to ever lead to a GC. In fact one of the questions asked is that you make a statement regarding your intention to leave the US upon the expiration of your visa and that it is not your intention to stay. Maybe its just that "Britishness" in me coming out but I accepted those terms as a condition of our moving here. I do not feel I need to change my status to a GC holder IF I am treated fairly by the immigration service. It does however appear that this may be a pipe dreambased upon other forum users postings. My personal opinion is that if, when I come to renew my E2 in March 2007 the process is unduly stressful and we are subjected to unreasonable delay and burocracy, then I will vote with my feet. I love this part of the States and the people we have met and just want to get on with running the business that we are building but really do not believe that I would willingly subject myself to the ordeal that other seem to be experiencing.

[Bobby]

I have to agree with you, and wonder why people arriving on "temporary" visas have not made a Plan B.

I understand that it takes a huge commitment in the first place, be it monetary or through family ties, to up sticks and leave the UK, but if you only have a visa for a specific time, you should also look at how high you will fall from, if you are suddenly refused a renewal.
It's happening too often now, not to prepare for such an event.

Bobby

[Bobby]

I have to agree with you, and wonder why people arriving on "temporary" visas have not made a Plan B.

I understand that it takes a huge commitment in the first place, be it monetary or through family ties, to up sticks and leave the UK, but if you only have a visa for a specific time, you should also look at how high you will fall from, if you are suddenly refused a renewal.
It's happening too often now, not to prepare for such an event.

Bobby

WOW!

This was my 100th post, which I see qualifies me as a "senior member"

Somebody pass me a zimmer frame. I'll be in Denny's tomorrow for my "senior slammer breakfast"!!

I'm also fully aware that "senior member" doesn't make you any smarter either! lol ;) :)

[InnVic]

Congrats on 100 posts..now collect 40 crisp packets and get a free GC!

It does seem to me though that "getting a green card" IS plan B for alot of people. I wonder if thats because they've been misled by sleazy lawyers keen to get into their wallets. If they told the truth...I mean REALY told the truth many would not bother subjecting themselves to the fiasco that is the E2 process. But of course they want you to go ahead so they are either economical with the truth or blatently deceitful...you have to do your own research and be prepared for worst case scenario...we already have an "exit strategy". Hope we don't have to use it for a long time but its there...just in case.

[chris]

I think that most people who came on the E2 train, did know about the 'temporary' nature of the visa. However, what appears to tick most off these days is not the fact that it is temporary, but the fact that they are subject to the whims of the lackies in London who seem to opearte visa applications like a poker game. That was not the case when we arrived in 2000. I think if folks got fairly treated as you have said and the visa process, especialy the renewal was fair and speedy, then most would be happy to continue with the temporary nature of the visa. However, I believe the 12,000, 000 problem has wrankled many into feeling that what's good for the goose should be good for the gander and we want some of that too. As some one who has put a lot of money, effort and heartache into the last 6 years, seen my kids grow up into mini-americans and know that we're only lodgers, when some mehican or other souta de border person comes along crawls under or over the fence, goes deep cover, takes the jobs of permanent people and then gets a GC for the crime and deceipt, then yes I'd like things to change. But if I want to saty here permanently I want it to be legal.

[paulbweb]

Your exactly right Chris, It seems most people would be ok with temporary status if it weren't for the fact there are at least 12 million people that have come here illegally, work for cash, pay little in taxes, use tax payer funded services like education & medicare, have little to no loyalty to this country and send the majority of their income outside of the country. For this contribution they might be rewarded with a green card or at least a shot at getting one.

Fair minded people don't mind following the rules, but when you pay taxes, help the economy and aren't a burden on the system you get treated the exact opposite. I think most sane people in this country realise that and are just as incensed as you are.

[Sharon]

Great thread this has turned our to be

Lots of advise and views

I like the idea that a dependant of E visa holder can get a job and hopefully get employer to sponcer for green card..
Never realised that could be an option

[chris]

Mandy,
I've read this thread with interest. We've been here since 2000 and gone through all the ills that have befallen the US since 911 and the Florida Hurricanes, etc. It has been difficult and we have blown hot and cold more than once. As the frustrations over the broken immigration system become ever more evident and unbalanced toward the illegals, my wife and I have blown even more hot and cold this year. Our 2 sons, whilst only 7 and 10 will soon be reaching 21, yes time flies. We are not wonderfully happy with what we see.
Whilst the UK is struggling with its immigration problems, they don't directly impact on you. OK your BinL is having to buy bus passes, but his profit is not going to dented that much. Here is the US the immigration issues impact directly on you as you are one!
As an alternative, why not consider Europe? You have complete freedom of movement, travel, employemnt and abode. You can even enjoy the NHS to an extent. Consider, Spain, Portugal, France or Greece or the others before you take the plunge to the US. By all means keep the house in Rolling Hills on and vacation here. That way you get the best of all worlds.
Vacationing here and living here are 2 completely different things - believe me!

[lorraine]

Hi Mandy so true ......... We moved here on L1 keeping our business in the UK and running a business here so that our son would be safe (fingers crossed) it really is not easy,. To be honest if anyone had explained what it would be like I wouldnt have believed them. Would I go home YES but the problem we have now is we have invested everything we had in this country... I hate the health insurance issues here, I hate the summers here, I hate that you never belong, I hate all the visa immigration mess, I hate the rascism, I hate the crime, I hate the way they drive over here no proper driving test and constantly on cell phones... I love the winters, I love our American friends, I love the houses, actually I cant think of anything else I love about being here!!!! We have been here a year and a half we are wating for our renewal which has been in vermont now for 5 months, please god we will get the renewal but all that entitles us to is to fly around America not to go home.. My grandfather died in Uk and I couldnt fly home to go to his funeral, I miss home and family believe me the grass isnt always greener..........kind regards Lorraine

[chris]

Lorraine,
I know exactly how you feel on the frustration factor and yes I wish I could take the house back to Europe with me. It's more or less the only thing I'd miss.
I'm not sure what you meant about our renewal will allow us to fly around America but can't go home? I'm confused a bit by that.
You have complete freedom of movement within the United States, so long as you remain in status. Waiting for renewals and not having the Visa means that you are landlocked and can't leave the US. Or am I missing something here?

[mandybenn]

Thanks for all your comments!!

We have had good advice from an Immigration Lawyer who was totally honest in making it clear that the London Embassy is an utter nightmare and impossible to work with. She has also advised us not to apply for an E2 as you can never retire and your children age out at 21yrs. We are also aware that we could apply for a B1 (as we are property owners in Florida) and then do a change of status in Texas, as this is very successful (at the moment), however this does mean you are 'land locked' until the Visa process is complete. We have decided that IF we find a suitable business, we will apply for an L1 but not sell our home in the UK. I will not burn my bridges!! If we are not wanted in the USA then we will stay in the UK. At least by keeping our business in the UK and our home until at least L1 renewal, we are not jeopardising our future.

Our move is based on our children's future and although some of you disagree with what the UK is offering our young, we do have a problem. I have an 18yr old and 15yr old and there is no chance of them getting on the property ladder. Unless you have good qualifications, jobs are a problem. We have a problem with the Polish and other European's seeking asylum and in 2007 Bulgaria and Romania (I think or is it Turkey?) join the EU which will cause another huge rise in our population. The main effect is on the NHS which is currently in the red and going downhill fast. We cannot support the amount of people using our Country. I can understand why America is keen to manage Immigration better, however they are upsetting many good and honest people.

As we are now reaching 40yrs you take stock of your life and look to better it. My view is, if it doesn't work you can always go back. As the climate is good in Florida, it can only help maintain good health and as the country is so big it can open up many possibilities for your children.

Yes! we could move to the Lakes or nicer areas in the UK but we cannot afford the cost of property and the price of heating them.

I also think you remember the good things about where you have come from. If you have been in the USA a while you will forget the bad bits about the UK and visa versa.

As long as you can come and go as you please, we should enjoy both countries.

Mandy

[lorraine]

Hi Chris we are waiting for renewal of our I94 our L1 visa run out ... once we get the renewal the only way to be able to travel outside the united states would be to fly to london make appt at the embassy and get our L1 visa stamped for renewal.. The only problem with that is too many people have been telling me of horror stories where people get refused in london (even though they have there renewal of I94) if you get refused there is no way back... I dont know that I could be stuck here on the I94 and not be allowed to return to the UK I miss everyone so much..I thought originally that you got your L1 for a year (start up business) then when you put in for renewal you hopefully got 2 years I didnt realise it is only I94 which dosnt allow you to leave the united states and come back in again... Our renewal is in Vermont and it says on the dates they are processing that they are now doing July 26th ours arrived in May06, our attorney called them after 55 mins on hold they said you will hear in the post, YES WHEN !!!!!! kind regards Lorraine

[Kriz1]

Mandy I have the same problems here in America as you have with your kids in the UK...no real jobs...no hope of even getting a rental place....let alone a home of their own.....hopes for a better future for my kids was not why we came here...and I'm glad because I feel I've let them down on that front....when I see how well their friends back in the UK are doing....

[Kriz1]

Lorraine...people can tell you I've had really bad downers in the last few years that I've been in the US....visa problems were just a small part and we were lucky enough to get our greencards just in time for my daughter she was timing out...and just before hubby lost his job....
I'm sure if not for the worry about staying here and renewels you would find so much more to living here than you do now....
I was so unhappy with living here on the Cape....but that was all down to none stop worry....I spent years missing out on how lovely this place is because of it....I know its now easy for me to say all this because I have my GC...but I really know the upset no knowing what lies ahead does to a family...I also know that if you could have the worry lifted you see everything in a new light...until the next lot of problems come along....that is...

[mandybenn]

Hi Kriz

Just as I was saying earlier, the grass always looks greener! My son went in to the 6th form at school until they wouldn't let him do Music. He left and got a job at McDonalds. For 2 yrs he tried to get on the Music Technology course to be told it was full. He has just returned from Camp America (3 mths on a childrens camp), he has loved it. Although it was hard work he has met many American's and wants to go to college there. Our friend moved to Sarasota 18mths ago and his son, the same age, has got a scholarship and is loving it. I spoke to him myself, when we were out there, and he tells me how wonderful his life is now. He said he missed Leeds until he went back to visit and thought,! "thank god we don't live here anymore"!

I wouldn't ever feel you have let your children down, we can only try our best. My daughter thinks you leave school, get married have a child and then you get a house from the Council. That is what she see's every day.

I just think there is a big world out there and I want them to try it and if we don't succeed we will have learnt so much more than if we sat on our backsides and did nothing with our lives.

Mandy:)

[DavidL]

Heck!! :(

The general view from most of you is that it is exhausting in the States. Should we reconsider? The idea is to have a better life and a better opportunity for our children. Are you all unhappy out there? Would you come home?

A friend of ours is living in Sarasota and has settled over the last year and their children are much happier as the schools work at a slower pace which suits one of their boys ( curriculum spread over more years ).

Do you think that it depends on how well off you are?

Sorry if I'm being direct but I need the cold hard facts!

Cheers

Mandy

Mandy,

I congratulate you on asking some serious questions. You are fortunate to have found this forum where you can get some blatantly honest advice from its members.

I consider the Us to be my home at the moment. If I am ever booted out of the Us, then I would return to the UK for a temporary stay until I could make the neccessary arrangements for our next port of call. This is to say that I am happy here and feel that I spent enough time in the Uk to make an informed choice about my future residence.

Yes, you need money to enjoy living here. I have seen a lack of money wreck the plans of many. Off course it depends on your lifestyle. We worked out early on that the 3 of us needed a minimum of $65k a year to live on. Others will need more and others will need less. The Disney area is certainly expensive to live in.

Schools working at a slower pace?? I think this depends on the parents, the school and the child's ability. For some parents & children this will work but personally I wouldn't be happy about sending our daughter to a school which wasn't matching our expectations or her abilities. I hate to say this, but it's a competitive world out there and our children need the best education & support available to enhance their chances of sucess out there.

[chris]

You've heard the one about the shop owner who said it would be great running a shop if it weren't for the customers! Well, here in the US, life would be great for all of us if it weren't for the federal employees namely State Dept and USCIS. Their respective bureaucratic mazes and the hoops they make us jump through are the biggest frustration for all of us. All they do is take our eye off the ball of life, of getting on with it and making a success of it for us and our kids. Unfortunately, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
For anyone contemplating the US, just consider all the alternatives. There is a world of choice out there. We have Europe, we have Canada, we have Australia and New Zealand. All have programs geared to helping those with the skills, expertise and in most cases the money make a new life for them selves. So don't think that the world ends in Florida.
I've just hit 55 this year and with a 7 and 10 year old, I ain't got retirement on the horizon anytime yet. We moved to Florida in the belief that we were doing the right thing for our kids, but now I'm not sure that long term it is where we will be. As an E2'r we have the age out problem ahead and if we returned to the UK say after the eldest was 18, we'd have the problem of not having been in the UK 3 years for the eldest to be treated as a UK citizen for educational funding - he'd be an international student. That bit sucks to me, especially when our new economic immigrants to the UK would be regarded as citizens for the funding.
None of us know what lies ahead on the road of life, we can research and prepare, but none of us really know whats around the corner. When we arrived in May 2000, 911 was still 16 months away and how life has changed since then.
If you plan to make a move, don't waste your lives away waiting for USCIS and State Dept.

[lorraine]

Hi Kriz I am really pleased for you that you have your green cards and you can now take life a bit easier.... I as yet have not visited your area.. but I can tell you I find nothing beautiful about Orlando. Holidays here are wonderful but actually living here mmmmm I not sure about that one... As I have said before it is all the stuff that goes with it.. Maybe if we had picked a different part of states, but then we would still have to deal with all the visa issues, starting a business issues, poor educaitonal issues, lack of credit rating issues and so on and so on... We did come here with a good amount of money which we have invested here in the UK. We have bought a home and started a business from scratch (very hard) I wouldnt want to return and live in the UK but I also do not think the grass is greener here the only good thing here compared to the uk is the winters... You still have all the same stress and some more, no holidays, hard work, and as I keep saying the issues concerning USCIS. I really hope I change and feel the way you do now.. But at the moment I feel I have done the worse thing possible for our son and if I had a crystal ball before I would not have chosen this route. Kindest regard Lorraine

[chris]

Lorraine,
Don't be hard on yourself. When we become parents, the babies don't come with instruction books and neither do we have crystal balls for theirs and our futures. All we can do is the best we can and sometimes we make good decisions and sometimes we make ones , in hindsight, we wished we hadn't. But hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm sure we would all make different decisons about Florida if we had to amke them all over again. But here we are in the present. We can't alter the past. We can influence the future. You have to do what's best for you and the kids. If you are not happy, by god they will notice it.

[Richard]

We moved here 13 years ago and were fortunate enough to get an L1 visa and subsequently our Green Card. My daughter started in grade 1 at elementary school and has been right through the state school system up to today where she is now in her third year at UCF (University of Central Florida to those of you who don't live here). Yes there are good and bad schools, but overall, most of them can be good if you (and your child) have the right attitude. I seriously believe that most of the education problems here are down to the parents, and their lack of support and involvement in their child's education. Our daughter is by no means brilliant, but we have tried to encourage her and to support her at each level, and I believe it has paid off. She did not have any private education, all the schools she attended were state schools, Reedy Creek Elementary, Celebration Middle (for one year), Horizon Middle, Gateway High (where she was in the IB program), West Orange High (when we moved to Winter Garden) and now finally UCF where she has a Florida Bright Futures scholarship and is pursuing her dream of being a star of stage and screen!

Onto the next topic...... employment. Well I may be misinformed, but I am hearing some pretty horrific stories coming out of the UK as regards students leaving school or college and finding that there are no jobs. I also read that 25% of people in the UK between the ages if 18 and 25 are trying to get out of the country! I do believe that there is much more opportunity here but you have to be prepared to work for it, it is not a free ride. So many people come over here with the mindset that things are easier here. Well they are not! A typical example was back in 2001 when I sold my management company to a Brit who thought he would not have to come into the office, but could stay at home while it ran itself. Needless to say he lasted 10 months here during which time he went from 65 properties on management to about 20 then decided to go back to the UK.

As for housing, and getting on the ladder, there are so many more ways of getting into a home "creatively" here that are not available to young people in the UK that there is no real reason why anyone given the correct guidance and help should not be able to own their own home.

Obviously, there are the difficulties with visas, and what happens to the children of E2 visa holders when they become 21, but this is what I tell everybody who asks me about moving here .... The opportunities are here if you are prepared to work for them, but for the average person in the UK, I don't believe the opportunities are there any more no matter how hard you work! Now if only they could sort out the visa problems!!!

BTW Lorraine, as we both live in Winter Garden, if you want to get together socially with some other Winter Garden brits sometime who have also endured their share of ups and downs here, let me know. If you want, you can PM me and we can exchange contact details.

[Kriz1]

Hi Lorraine..I also have a second home near Orlando on 27....I love the area...it has more life than where I live in MA...which is very small town USA...like you I feel very strongly about the schooling the kids get here...or lack of...MA has some of the best schools in the USA and was until this year top of the list for places to live if you have kids of school age...so if MA schools are top or near the top...I'd hate to see any schools middle to last...

I wish I could say something to help you feel better.. I had some light at the end of my tunnel....even if I could not see it for a few years...all I can say is I understand how you feel I've been there...and if there is anything I can do...even if its just a chat...feel free to ask for my number....

[lorraine]

Hi Richard and Kriz thankyou I have sent you PM kindest regards Lorraine

[JulieC]

Lorraine, when we went past our dates on L1 renewal, we put in a tracker request with USCIS and were told we had been sent for additional processing. It is true that you are landlocked until you return to London for interview and stamp and yes I have heard of people being turned down. My immigration attorney told me she had one such couple stuck in the UK the last time I visited her.

[lorraine]

Hi Julie how do you do a tracker request??? I have registered for automatic updates by e mail and there hasnt been any up dates since it went in... My bank manager has 2 brit families stuck in England with their business here, they went home to get visa stamped and turned down and cant get back. The bank manager has put people in to run the business for them with power of attorney, what a nightmare!!!!! One family apparently has been stuck back there for over 7 months... It seems so unfair you come here on L1 keeping your business in the UK then you cant go home and check on it how you supposed to business like that.. We really need to see certain companies in the UK re our business there, but we dont think we shall be taking the chance. Kind regards Lorraine

[JulieC]

My husband rang the helpline for USCIS and said we were past the processing date on the website. if you are 30 days past, they will put a tracker on it.

[floridarulz]

I think the big downfall with America is their Education system is pretty pathetic, I had to tell my Girl scout Troop of 16-18 year old girls how to read a map. That is pretty sad.

There are loads of advantages tho. Like there is so much more oppurtunity here. I personally feel like I could make something big of myself here. But when I was in England I felt I was trapped. Im glad my parents brought me over

[Wendy]

too much exposure to USA ed system, their not there!

[floridarulz]

Sorry, its your fault for bringing me!! lol

[Susie]

Just re opened this thread as for some reason it was closed

It seems wheels in motion are just too slow here, change has to come soon as imho immigration it tied to the economy, we have so many talented youngsters it is a crying shame that they find it so hard to stay once they reach 21, families are split and causes so much pain for all the family members involved

Even though it may seem as if I am all right jack because I have a green card, it is not, our family is still spit due to my husbands passing and such a strain on us all

Be assured although I do not seem to post much lately I am working away in the background for changes to assist family reunification, compassionate visa and E 2 dependents

[dip your toe]

I've been reading a lot of old posts recently. It really is quite an eye opener to take on board other posters comments from 5 or 6 years ago. The overall impression that I've felt is that the vast majority of people enjoy the American lifestyle. However, the stress and strain of visas, dealing with the embassy and immigration in general outweighs the benefits derived from that lifestyle.

Sad that so many people don't post anymore, I'd love to know what their thoughts are now that their lives have moved on a few years.

[Carl]

Life would be great here if it wasnt for the Immigration black cloud, it would be great if they gave you a 5 year visa with a 5 year I-94 then at the end of the 5 years an opportunity for a green card, I think people would be more inclined to invest and employ under those conditions.

Carl.