PDA

View Full Version : US Embassy writes back !


floridapete
05-05-2006, 11:57 AM
I just received my current copy of "Emigrate America" by Outbound Publishing Ltd. It used to be called GOING USA and I used to write for them on a monthly basis a few years back.

However, this month they carry a very interesting response from the US Embassy in London to previous reports of delays and 'bad service' as voiced by people awaiting judgement on Visa applications and renewals.

I spoke to their Editor this morning to ask if this article was availabe in their online issue so that readers on here could see it - but it isn't.

So, instead, he has kindly sent me the article, and previous articles, by e-mail with permission for me to publish them on here for anyone who is interested to read.

Ben Lewis is also VERY interested to hear from anyone who is presently a 'victim' of the system, either still in the UK or over in the USA.

Here they are:

"THE EMBASSY WRITES BACK!"

In the last edition of Emigrate America, we placed the spotlight on lengthy E-2 waiting times rude rejections and poor correspondence. In this edition, Consul General John Caulfield gives the US Embassy’s side of the story

To the editor, Emigrate America:

The UK is our single largest foreign investor, accounting for over 17 per cent of inward direct investment stock in the US.

British citizens can investigate, invest in and close on commercial ventures from overseas while visiting the US on the Visa Waiver Programme. British citizens can also purchase real estate in visitor status or from abroad through their agents.

Investing in the US, however, does not create a right to live in the US. Foreign investors who want to reside in the US to personally control and direct an eligible enterprise must apply for a visa.

The non-immigrant treaty investor ‘E-2’ visa is available to eligible British citizens pursuant to a treaty between our two countries. Applicants for the E-2 visa must demonstrate their investment meets all the requirements for treaty investor status under US immigration law.

Prospective investors should be cautious about claims from agents or sales people that investment will assure qualification for an E-2 visa.

A significant number of applicants appear to have invested large sums of money relying on representations that a visa will be issued provided they pursue a proposed investment scheme or plan. Only a consular officer may approve a visa.

Prospective investors should review the information on the Embassy website (www.usembassy.
org.uk). and consider seeking advice from a US immigration law professional prior to making a financial commitment.
Requirements for Treaty Trader and Treaty Investors are set out in the Foreign Affairs Manual (FAM) at 9 FAM 41.51. The requirements can be viewed in their entirety by visiting: http://www.foia.state.gov/masterdocs/09fam/0941051N.pdf.

To be eligible for E-2 status, the visa applicant must demonstrate that he or she:
-- Has irrevocably invested or is actively in the process of investing funds that are subject to partial or total loss if business fortunes reverse;
-- Is in a position to “develop and direct” the enterprise;
-- If an employee, is destined to be in an executive/supervisory position or possesses skills essential to the firm’s operations in the United States; and
-- Intends to depart the United States when the E-2 status terminates.

Moreover, the visa applicant must demonstrate that:
-- The enterprise is a real and active commercial or entrepreneurial undertaking, producing some service or commodity (as opposed to a paper organisation or a passive investment held for income or potential appreciation in value);
-- The investment is substantial; and
-- The investment is more than a marginal one (it cannot be solely for earning a living for the investor and his or her family).

The treaty investor visa programme was designed to enhance economic and commercial interaction between the US and the treaty countries. It is not intended as a means for foreign citizens to create employment for themselves in a marginal enterprise and thereby secure the right to reside indefinitely in the US

There is no US retirement visa. British citizens can purchase homes in Florida or other sunny locales in the US and legally spend up to 90 days without a visa or up to 180 days with a B1/B2 visitor visa. In fact, many British ‘snow birds’ have been buying vacation homes to temporarily stay in Florida from October through April every year for the last decade.

The US investor visa regime is in fact quite liberal compared with the UK. According to UKVisas, UK investor visa requirements include demonstrating a net worth in excess of £2 million and an intention to invest at least £750,000. Moreover, the investment cannot be in companies that solely manage property.

By comparison, there is no statutorily defined sum to meet the US requirement other than that the investment is substantial. Investments comprising much less than £750,000 are often approved.

The Embassy is committed to an expeditious and transparent visa process for all applicants. Our website has been improved to provide clear guidance on application requirements, including links to applicable regulations. Applications demonstrating fulfilment of all requirements for E-2 status will be promptly adjudicated. In the last 12 months, the Embassy completed processing nearly 3000 E-2 visas, approving approximately 94 per cent of the applications.

Allow me to clarify several of the issues raised in last edition’s article. There is no new system of interviews for E-2 visas. Since the summer of 2003, all visa applicants between the ages of 14 and 79 for every visa category, except, diplomatic and official, have been required to appear in person for an interview. By law, final adjudication of visa applications must be done by a consular officer on completion of an interview in person. This means that a visa application cannot be approved or rejected by letter or e-mail.

We have not stated that six weeks is the average processing time. Our website states that E-2 visa applicants can expect 12 to 16 weeks processing time if their application is submitted according to instructions.

Because E-2 visas are complex, applicants are given extensive personal interviews, often lasting more than an hour, compared to two or three minutes for a typical tourist visa interview.

We welcome the positive economic impact of British visitors and investors and continually work to streamline and improve visa processes. For more detailed information on the E-2 and other categories of visas, please visit http://london.usembassy.gov.

Sincerely,

John Caulfield, Consul General, US Embassy London.

>>>>>>>


Emigrate America says:

We would like to thank the Embassy for their response but we feel they have failed to address some key points. Most people will accept the Embassy’s right to decline any application they don’t feel makes the grade. However, the issues have arisen from the way that people have been treated when being denied, the lengthy waiting times and the lack of communication from the Embassy itself.

The general consensus amongst those who have had their business proposals rejected is that they have been made to wait unacceptable periods with their lives on hold awaiting a decision.

The Embassy states that the waiting process is 12–16 weeks. Surely this should apply to both rejection and affirmation. The nature of the E-2 application process means that people have to commit a substantial amount of money just to embark on the process of finding a business and submitting the paperwork. Even with a request for additional information people should not be expected to wait 15 months with little to no communication from the Embassy (as it was with the case stated in the article).

Finally, the nature of the rejections themselves and the behaviour of Embassy officials has been called into question. People have complained that they have been made to feel like “criminals”. We feel that these are all issues that need to be addressed.

-- If you have been affected by any of the issues raised in this or other E-2 articles please contact: ben.lewis@outboundmedia.co.uk with your story.

All of the above has been reproduced by kind permission of:

Ben Lewis
Journalist
Outbound Publishing
1 Commercial Road, Eastbourne, East Sussex, BN21 3XQ, UK.
tel: +44 (0) 1323 726040
fax: +44 (0) 1323 649249
ben.lewis@outboundmedia.co.uk
www.outboundpublishing.com

floridapete
05-05-2006, 11:58 AM
.........and here is part 2 !


Previous Article:

E-2 WAITING TIMES PUT BUSINESSES AT RISK

Rude rejections, 15-month waits and poor correspondence is causing real headaches for brits dealing with the US Embassy in London. Ben Lewis takes a look at what has been happening

The US Embassy in London has had prospective British migrants and immigration consultants pulling their hair out in frustration after being forced to wait months only to have seemingly good E-2 visa applications rejected.

Back in our September/October edition we reported complaints of embassy inefficiency that was putting E-2 related business purchases in serious jeopardy. Since then sources had intimated that the situation had improved. It now appears that this is not the case as many more industry professionals have come forward to complain of unfair, and in some cases unacceptable, treatment of their clients.

According to one Florida business broker, the problem with waiting times has got so bad that it is becoming increasingly difficult to find people willing to sell to British investors for fear that they will be caught up in an indefinite waiting game. She said “For British buyers who are applying for a visa the wait can be six months or longer and it can be impossible to obtain any information about when the cases will be decided. The Embassy does not seem to have any idea of the impact that these delays are having on the US economy or the parties involved.

Jessica Walker (name changed to protect identity) submitted her application in February 2005 and finally had it rejected 11 months later. “12 weeks after our initial application we were asked to submit further information. We did this straight away and then heard nothing until August despite continuous emails from both ourselves and our attorney. At this point we were informed that a decision was imminent. Then it went quiet again and in mid-January 2006, over 11 months since we first lodged our E-2 application, we received an email telling us we had to come to an appointment where we would have to state our case,” says Walker.

Although interviews are a common part of the E-2 application process, in the past they have not been held until after the approval of the business. According to the Florida business broker representing Mrs Walker, ordering applicants for an interview before their business has been approved is a new step that has only been introduced in the past few months. Asking not to be named, he claimed that he had waited up to 15 months on 11 separate applications only to have the majority of his clients called in to state their case in what he described as “a mass cull”.

He stated, “The Embassy seems to have a new system of calling people in for what they call “additional information”. In some cases these people had to come over to London from the US having sold their house in the UK to take up residence there”.

“We made sure all of our clients were well prepared and we had our attorney on hand to go in with them and advise them. When they were invited in they were told that they could not have the attorney with them and the end result was that only one of the 11 applicants had their

business approved.”
Walker was one of the ten not to have her business accepted and was less than happy with the way she was treated. “The interview was a joke,” she says. “My husband and I were told to go into a room with one chair and interview was conducted from behind a glass window. We had been told that we were there to state our case but this simply was not true. We were asked short sharp questions and when we tried to expand on certain details we felt were important to our case we were talked over or cut off. We knew everything about the business we were intending to start in the US because we have done our research and my brother already owns, runs and is making a profit out of the same business as we speak. They simply weren’t interested and we were treated like something the cat dragged in. In the end they stamped our passports and dismissed us like a naughty child. When I asked why the application had failed they simply answered: ‘Thank you very much, good bye’ and showed us the door.”

The reason for the increased waiting times and the new system of interviews is the source of much speculation within the emigration industry. The Embassy’s official line is that the average processing time for an application is six weeks and the reason for the personal interviews is to avoid prolonging the correspondence between the applicant and the Embassy. However, those involved in the process on the other side of the fence believe that the real reason for the interviews is to clear out a large backlog of applications by rejecting people en masse.

However, according to Walker, it is not the fact that the business has been rejected that has been the upsetting factor. “I understand that the Embassy has a job to do and I fully appreciate their right to reject our application on any grounds they feel necessary. What I don’t understand is why the process took so long in the first place and why they had to call us back from the US for an interview when the decision had clearly already been made to reject the business. Surely they could have done that with an email or a letter?”

Emigrate America contacted the US Embassy but the officials involved were unavailable for comment."

JulieC
05-05-2006, 03:32 PM
Thats a good one. One thing I cant understand is that they say 94 percent of all applications get through. Talking to business brokers here, they seem to be having problems with a large proportion of theirs, giving a percentage of much higher than 6 percent rejected. Would we be right in thinking then that Florida has a higher turn down rate than the rest of America, or perhaps that the sort of businesses typically for sale in the tourist areas are the ones more likely to be turned down, ie someone buying an automotive repair shop in Seattle with the same turnover and owner benefit as someone buying a property management co in Orlando is more likely to get through??

JulieC
05-05-2006, 03:56 PM
Just checked and the sum for Yanks wanting visas for businesses in the UK is £250,000 not £750,000, this is either a newspaper typo, misreporting or the consul got it wrong.

fatbrit
05-09-2006, 12:43 AM
There was an interesting post in the immigration sections of BritishExpats.com recently from a guy who had applied for an E2 via London which was summarily rejected. He reapplied with exactly the same paperwork through Taiwan (the home of his missus) and received a 5-year yes!

floridapete
05-26-2006, 11:28 AM
I have just received the e-mail below from Emigrate America, the bi-monthly newspaper for would-be and existing expats to the USA.

They are going to take the US Embassy in London head-on with two pages of letters from aggrieved applicants for working or business visas who are having problem with the service in London.

¨Hi Peter,

In this months edition of Emigrate America I have put aside two pages for what I have called "Open letters to the Embassy". I feel it is about time that we gave a bit more space to some readers complaints. Do you know of any people who have had E2 problems and would like the opportunity to vent their frustrations in print. The Embassy receives our magazine and as you will know from their response they have been paying attention in recent months.

Ideally the letters will be between 250 and 300 words in length and detail specific complaints concisely without too much hearsay or unfounded accusations. I want to try and identify areas that the Embassy can improve on and hopefully pressurise them into making those improvements.

Let me know if you think you can help.

Many thanks

Ben



Ben Lewis
Journalist
Outbound Publishing
1 Commercial Road, Eastbourne, East Sussex, BN21 3XQ, UK.
tel: +44 (0) 1323 726040
fax: +44 (0) 1323 649249
ben.lewis@outboundmedia.co.uk
www.outboundpublishing.com

.........................................

If you have a greivance with your situation at their hands send an e-mail letter to Ben Lewis for inclusion in this two page spread. I am sure that ánonymous´will be the order of the day ! But, as Ben says, DO be specific to your problem, this is not just a ´moaning opportunity´ !

JulieC
05-26-2006, 03:34 PM
Pete, I moderate a section on another forum which is just for E2. Do I have permission to reproduce this, as there are far more people on there and I know a number have been having real problems.

floridapete
05-29-2006, 11:31 AM
Yep ! That´s fine by me- the more people who know and respond the better.

Sorry ´bout the delay in replying but we are in Tenerife right now and so only pick up e-mails every 2 or 3 days from a little backstreet Spanish internet cafe with a Spanish keyboard ¿

JulieC
05-29-2006, 03:50 PM
I will post it now. I remember doing emails in a Mexican internet cafe with a Spanish keyboard once, not easy!

Deborah
05-30-2006, 09:07 PM
I have just received the e-mail below from Emigrate America, the bi-monthly newspaper for would-be and existing expats to the USA.

They are going to take the US Embassy in London head-on with two pages of letters from aggrieved applicants for working or business visas who are having problem with the service in London.

¨Hi Peter,

In this months edition of Emigrate America I have put aside two pages for what I have called "Open letters to the Embassy". I feel it is about time that we gave a bit more space to some readers complaints. Do you know of any people who have had E2 problems and would like the opportunity to vent their frustrations in print. The Embassy receives our magazine and as you will know from their response they have been paying attention in recent months.

Ideally the letters will be between 250 and 300 words in length and detail specific complaints concisely without too much hearsay or unfounded accusations. I want to try and identify areas that the Embassy can improve on and hopefully pressurise them into making those improvements.

Let me know if you think you can help.

Many thanks

Ben



Ben Lewis
Journalist
Outbound Publishing
1 Commercial Road, Eastbourne, East Sussex, BN21 3XQ, UK.
tel: +44 (0) 1323 726040
fax: +44 (0) 1323 649249
ben.lewis@outboundmedia.co.uk
www.outboundpublishing.com

.........................................

If you have a greivance with your situation at their hands send an e-mail letter to Ben Lewis for inclusion in this two page spread. I am sure that ánonymous´will be the order of the day ! But, as Ben says, DO be specific to your problem, this is not just a ´moaning opportunity´ !

floridapete
05-31-2006, 03:20 PM
Deborah, I think that you may want to try your posting again - it didn't work out for some reason ?

InnVic
12-31-2007, 07:39 PM
I just received my current copy of "Emigrate America" by Outbound Publishing Ltd. It used to be called GOING USA and I used to write for them on a monthly basis a few years back.

However, this month they carry a very interesting response from the US Embassy in London to previous reports of delays and 'bad service' as voiced by people awaiting judgement on Visa applications and renewals.

I spoke to their Editor this morning to ask if this article was availabe in their online issue so that readers on here could see it - but it isn't.

So, instead, he has kindly sent me the article, and previous articles, by e-mail with permission for me to publish them on here for anyone who is interested to read.

Ben Lewis is also VERY interested to hear from anyone who is presently a 'victim' of the system, either still in the UK or over in the USA.

Here they are:

"THE EMBASSY WRITES BACK!"

In the last edition of Emigrate America, we placed the spotlight on lengthy E-2 waiting times rude rejections and poor correspondence. In this edition, Consul General John Caulfield gives the US Embassy’s side of the story

To the editor, Emigrate America:

The UK is our single largest foreign investor, accounting for over 17 per cent of inward direct investment stock in the US.

British citizens can investigate, invest in and close on commercial ventures from overseas while visiting the US on the Visa Waiver Programme. British citizens can also purchase real estate in visitor status or from abroad through their agents.

Investing in the US, however, does not create a right to live in the US. Foreign investors who want to reside in the US to personally control and direct an eligible enterprise must apply for a visa.

The non-immigrant treaty investor ‘E-2’ visa is available to eligible British citizens pursuant to a treaty between our two countries. Applicants for the E-2 visa must demonstrate their investment meets all the requirements for treaty investor status under US immigration law.

Prospective investors should be cautious about claims from agents or sales people that investment will assure qualification for an E-2 visa.

A significant number of applicants appear to have invested large sums of money relying on representations that a visa will be issued provided they pursue a proposed investment scheme or plan. Only a consular officer may approve a visa.

Prospective investors should review the information on the Embassy website (www.usembassy.
org.uk). and consider seeking advice from a US immigration law professional prior to making a financial commitment.
Requirements for Treaty Trader and Treaty Investors are set out in the Foreign Affairs Manual (FAM) at 9 FAM 41.51. The requirements can be viewed in their entirety by visiting: http://www.foia.state.gov/masterdocs/09fam/0941051N.pdf.

To be eligible for E-2 status, the visa applicant must demonstrate that he or she:
-- Has irrevocably invested or is actively in the process of investing funds that are subject to partial or total loss if business fortunes reverse;
-- Is in a position to “develop and direct” the enterprise;
-- If an employee, is destined to be in an executive/supervisory position or possesses skills essential to the firm’s operations in the United States; and
-- Intends to depart the United States when the E-2 status terminates.

Moreover, the visa applicant must demonstrate that:
-- The enterprise is a real and active commercial or entrepreneurial undertaking, producing some service or commodity (as opposed to a paper organisation or a passive investment held for income or potential appreciation in value);
-- The investment is substantial; and
-- The investment is more than a marginal one (it cannot be solely for earning a living for the investor and his or her family).

The treaty investor visa programme was designed to enhance economic and commercial interaction between the US and the treaty countries. It is not intended as a means for foreign citizens to create employment for themselves in a marginal enterprise and thereby secure the right to reside indefinitely in the US

There is no US retirement visa. British citizens can purchase homes in Florida or other sunny locales in the US and legally spend up to 90 days without a visa or up to 180 days with a B1/B2 visitor visa. In fact, many British ‘snow birds’ have been buying vacation homes to temporarily stay in Florida from October through April every year for the last decade.

The US investor visa regime is in fact quite liberal compared with the UK. According to UKVisas, UK investor visa requirements include demonstrating a net worth in excess of £2 million and an intention to invest at least £750,000. Moreover, the investment cannot be in companies that solely manage property.

By comparison, there is no statutorily defined sum to meet the US requirement other than that the investment is substantial. Investments comprising much less than £750,000 are often approved.

The Embassy is committed to an expeditious and transparent visa process for all applicants. Our website has been improved to provide clear guidance on application requirements, including links to applicable regulations. Applications demonstrating fulfilment of all requirements for E-2 status will be promptly adjudicated. In the last 12 months, the Embassy completed processing nearly 3000 E-2 visas, approving approximately 94 per cent of the applications.

Allow me to clarify several of the issues raised in last edition’s article. There is no new system of interviews for E-2 visas. Since the summer of 2003, all visa applicants between the ages of 14 and 79 for every visa category, except, diplomatic and official, have been required to appear in person for an interview. By law, final adjudication of visa applications must be done by a consular officer on completion of an interview in person. This means that a visa application cannot be approved or rejected by letter or e-mail.

We have not stated that six weeks is the average processing time. Our website states that E-2 visa applicants can expect 12 to 16 weeks processing time if their application is submitted according to instructions.

Because E-2 visas are complex, applicants are given extensive personal interviews, often lasting more than an hour, compared to two or three minutes for a typical tourist visa interview.

We welcome the positive economic impact of British visitors and investors and continually work to streamline and improve visa processes. For more detailed information on the E-2 and other categories of visas, please visit http://london.usembassy.gov.

Sincerely,

John Caulfield, Consul General, US Embassy London.

>>>>>>>


Emigrate America says:

We would like to thank the Embassy for their response but we feel they have failed to address some key points. Most people will accept the Embassy’s right to decline any application they don’t feel makes the grade. However, the issues have arisen from the way that people have been treated when being denied, the lengthy waiting times and the lack of communication from the Embassy itself.

The general consensus amongst those who have had their business proposals rejected is that they have been made to wait unacceptable periods with their lives on hold awaiting a decision.

The Embassy states that the waiting process is 12–16 weeks. Surely this should apply to both rejection and affirmation. The nature of the E-2 application process means that people have to commit a substantial amount of money just to embark on the process of finding a business and submitting the paperwork. Even with a request for additional information people should not be expected to wait 15 months with little to no communication from the Embassy (as it was with the case stated in the article).

Finally, the nature of the rejections themselves and the behaviour of Embassy officials has been called into question. People have complained that they have been made to feel like “criminals”. We feel that these are all issues that need to be addressed.

-- If you have been affected by any of the issues raised in this or other E-2 articles please contact: ben.lewis@outboundmedia.co.uk with your story.

All of the above has been reproduced by kind permission of:

Ben Lewis
Journalist
Outbound Publishing
1 Commercial Road, Eastbourne, East Sussex, BN21 3XQ, UK.
tel: +44 (0) 1323 726040
fax: +44 (0) 1323 649249
ben.lewis@outboundmedia.co.uk
www.outboundpublishing.com

I wanted to bump this post as I felt it may be of interest to new members.....

I know my interview wasn't an hour long or in fact any longer than that for a tourist visa!

kirtida8
01-01-2008, 02:00 PM
Thanks Innvic. I know my interview back in 2003 didn't last more than a couple of mins.

byjove
01-01-2008, 02:29 PM
Wow! I wonder if this will shame them into less harsh denials or make things worse that we are pushing the envelope!

InnVic
01-01-2008, 03:47 PM
This post was from a few years ago...I doubt any amount of shame will change things ...but it does give interesting information to quote from!
perhaps we should start a thread...the BS quotes of John Cauldfield!

byjove
01-01-2008, 04:59 PM
I didnt even look at the date! DOH!

Susie
01-02-2008, 02:57 AM
This post was from a few years ago...I doubt any amount of shame will change things ...but it does give interesting information to quote from!
perhaps we should start a thread...the BS quotes of John Cauldfield!

Yes, good idea,

Give me a couple of weeks and will I send e-mail to his press office and him for answers, unless anyone else can offer to do this on behalf of expatsvoice in the meantime, as I can only type with one hand at the moment

Grumpy
01-27-2008, 05:23 AM
I wanted to bump this post as I felt it may be of interest to new members.....

I know my interview wasn't an hour long or in fact any longer than that for a tourist visa!

Hmm, speechless, like the idea of a thread bs of Caulfield :rofl:

ettena
01-28-2008, 03:41 PM
Hey, I would be happy to share my shortened story with Ben. 2 years in the waiting for an E2, seperated from my husband for a year then a 2 minute rude interview behind a glass screen with everyone around tuning in!!! we never got around to finding out if the e2 stacked up which I can say It did! he was too busy getting excited about applying section 212 and 214. no names exchanged, no hellos nothing. just out you get! don't care where you go!

Susie
01-28-2008, 05:09 PM
Hey, I would be happy to share my shortened story with Ben. 2 years in the waiting for an E2, seperated from my husband for a year then a 2 minute rude interview behind a glass screen with everyone around tuning in!!! we never got around to finding out if the e2 stacked up which I can say It did! he was too busy getting excited about applying section 212 and 214. no names exchanged, no hellos nothing. just out you get! don't care where you go!

Hi,

Can you share your story under a new thread of your own and if you agree allow Kris to post on expatsvoice myspace page? thanks

InnVic
01-28-2008, 05:09 PM
Its quite an old interview...but maybe we should contact him anyway - I wonder if they'd be interested in a follow up - nothing changes.