Advice on property management pls.

[spotty]

Well, after much exhaustive searching of the internet, hunting down specialist forums etc I am narrowing down my search of potential business areas based upon a) what is actually available at the moment and b) listing as many potential negatives as I can find relative to each area of biz.
Now I know that a lot of people groan at the mention of property management but I will only be put off by hard facts rather than just a general "thing" an individual may have. And I can't actually find any info on this particular subject anywhere, maybe as it's often done as an offshoot of a realty biz which has private forums, it would seem.
My circumstances have made things more complex than when I first posted (the fact I am now going it alone, just me and my doggies lol) but on the other hand I already have a B visa and I may well be in the position where I achieve residency another way so I am hopefully not going to have to select something with E2 qualifying criteria in mind. Indeed, I am looking for something which can be passively managed or overseen so would be highly unlikely to qualify.
So what I would really like is as many comments as possible about long-term letting, am I correct in assuming that it is a totally different ball game to short-term/vacation letting? I know it certainly is in the UK, just need some info on the US way of operating.
Thanks in advance,
Michelle.

[Susie]

Hi Spotty


I have been in property management for 8 years both short and long term lets. If you would like a chat please pm your contact number.

Extremely hard work and on call 24/7 seven days a week and very difficult to take even a weekend break

[JulieC]

I did property management for four years, short term holiday rentals. It is very tieing, l have left restaurant meals with friends half eaten because there is an emergency and holidays are difficult unless you can get good cover. And you are piggie in the middle between guests and homeowners which sometimes isnt a comfortable place to be. It is the last business I would want to run passively, if you take your eye off the ball that is the way to start to lose homes. Long term rentals would probably be easier and if you really want management I would steer towards those. Personal opinion only, dont shoot me those of you who love doing it.

[Jessica H]

I agree that property management is best when worked hands-on. It's not for everyone, but I know of people who have enjoyed working that industry and make it a long-term commitment. LT rentals are certainly different than ST but can be just as demanding.

A big part to consider is location -- you'll need to have at a minimum of 15-25homes (if going the residential route) to keep it from being considered too marginal -- and time and money adds up if properties are all over town.

Another factor is staff. Even if you get over here on an alternative visa to the E-2, you'll need to at least hire independant contractors from time to time to perform the services you're not licensed for. Finding reliable help in that industry can be hard -- check out any referral in depth.

If you are looking to run a management company more or less as a semi-absentee owner, perhaps looking at a small-med commercial property management co. would be worth investigating. Often those companies have a tighter structure (as leases are usually 1+ years, meaning more reliable income) and usually maintenance staff already in place with regular hours and routines leaving the owner to simply manage.

[chris]

You would also need to look into the state and local licensing laws on property management as they differ for short and long term. The latter may require a different level of expertise than the former and I know many realty companies tend to focus on LT rentals.
On a purely visa focus, the state dept do not look kindly on anything that smacks of passive investment. If I'm being brutally honest, if you are planning on coming to Florida and not 'working' for your visa, then you are wasting a lot of time and effort on your part. Most visa holders will tell you that they have never worked as hard in the lives, much harder than the UK and with less time time off. Please don't see it as a vacation.
I'm only trying to be honest here.

[DEE F]

Hi Michelle I have pm,d you ,hope you got it ok ,please let me know if you have, take care.

Dee xxxx

[DebbieM]

We came to Florida just over 2 years ago and run a Property Management Company. I have to echo everything that has been said above and some.

We originally had 27 homes we now have 48. 27 was manageable and allowed some sort of life - now we haven't had a day off in 7 weeks!!!!!! There have been days lately when I do question what we are doing here, our vision of a better quality of life has faded into the distant past.

Trouble is, you have to get bigger and expand your offering otherwise you won't get your E-2 renewed - to just look after 27 homes again would be heaven. We don't do leasing - just couldn't cope with the work.
my understanding is that any rental over 6 months requires you to have a Realtors License as the agreement for long term is totally different to short term.

That said, I don't believe it is just MC's that have to work harder, WHATEVER business you buy/start up requires 120% committment otherwise you are just wasting your time. As a non permanent resident (regardless of which visa you are on) you have to work, twice as hard, twice as long and face twice as many battles as your regular Joe.

If you want the nitty, gritty PM me and I'll be glad to fill you in. If Dee hasn't already put you off:-))))))))

Debs

[spotty]

Thanks for all your replies, Susie will send you my number and Dee, yes I got your PM, ta.
I just want to stress that the reason I am looking for something more passive isn't because I'm lazy and am looking upon it as an extended vacation; it's because there is only one of me and, going on what I have heard, even couples find they are rushed off their feet dealing with things, so it would be crazy to think I could do it alone. My intention would be to oversee things and deal with the tasks I felt were the best use of my time.
As I have hinted at before I do have a longer term plan in the offing (but just don't really want to post details of my personal life on a public forum as it could be misinterpreted), so whether something would qualify for an E2 or other visa isn't really the issue it would be for most people. Sorry to be cryptic and blunt but I can't really say any more at the moment!

[Bobby]

Why don't you buy a bar, or a day spa or lady's hair/nail salon?? Something like that where you put in a manager and you can show up any time you like. You wont make much money and in all probability your manager should be earning more than you, but that's the way these things normally work.
There's no business in this country that's "passive" as you say, that you can just jump in to that delivers the income you need to survive here on your own, as well as fill the criteria of INS/IRS legalities.
If there WAS such a job, don't you think that all of us who've been here a few years and built up a bit of capital, wouldn't sell up and sit back and lap it up like you're suggesting you think you can do??
Wake up, and smell the coffee. Just my opinion, but I think you should stay where you are. From what you've written it looks like you're looking for an easy ride and I can guarantee you, the USA for a Brit immigrant isn't it.

Bobby
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Just telling it like it is! .....as usual.

[spotty]

Ok folks, thanks to those of you that have properly read what I was actually asking and replied accordingly. I really don't feel some of the more aggressive posts were called for. I have repeatedly said I cannot possibly do the work of two people and so would need to get a manager and oversee him or her, but for saying that I get slated as if I think I'm coming over for a permanant Disney vacation. I am not some starry-eyed wannabee who thinks the streets of the US are paved in gold as many of you seem to think I am, but I just do not feel I have to justify myself with details of private personal circumstances to people who come in spoiling for a scrap after only having read half the story. How many of YOU came alone and have successfully done the work of what is the the "norm" for small businesses, the husband and wife team? So, come on then. Let's have some constructive comments as to how I can run a biz single-handedly that it otherwise takes two people 24/7 to run. I think if I had just posted that I was giving up on my American Dream because my friend was unable to come along it would've been ok for these people, but because I am determined and have decided to battle on regardless and try and surmount any obstacles in my path I get given a really hard time when I ask for further advice. I'm sorry, but I didn't believe that to be in the spirit of this forum and undoes the great work that Susie and her team are doing.
Maybe there's just a little bit of jealousy involved if people keep deliberately misreading what I say and attacking me over what is clearly not what I am saying. One poster has attacked me in the past on a non-biz thread for absolutely no reason, my only "crime" was the fact I had specialist knowledge of the subject in question which conflicted with this person's opinion.

Likewise I keep being quoted stuff about the visa people not liking it, E2's etc etc, despite me keep saying it's highly unlikely that is the route I will be taking. A biz visa is not the only way to enter the US legally. It is possible a person could enter via some other legal means and buy a biz as a totally unrelated issue, in which case the choice of biz will be purely down to that individual and not subject to visa regs.

Think what you like about me, what I am aiming to do is perfectly valid and has been checked out. I'm not going to post any more requests for advice as I seem to be inviting hostile and hurtful comments, instead I shall do it via the lovely people who have contacted me privately.
Thank you to all the nice people on this forum, and it's just a shame some people have taken their British negativity with them.

Subject closed.

[SHEILA 13]

Hi Michelle,I have just read all the posts as I have been off the forum for a couple of days poorly.
Dont WORRY what people say ,at the end of he day you decide what is BEST for YOU.
I know you were only asking for advice but with anything related to an open forum ,people always interpertate the post differently.
Whatever YOU decide to do I wish you luck in your venture.
Take Care
Sheila

[timjotom]

Good luck with whatever you decide Michelle, I hope you find a business that will work successfully for you.

Joanne

[Bobby]

How many of YOU came alone and have successfully done the work of what is the the "norm" for small businesses, the husband and wife team? So, come on then. Let's have some constructive comments as to how I can run a biz single-handedly that it otherwise takes two people 24/7 to run.

None! ....and you CAN'T.

Maybe there's just a little bit of jealousy involved if people keep deliberately misreading what I say and attacking me over what is clearly not what I am saying.

....jealous of what exactly?

Thank you to all the nice people on this forum, and it's just a shame some people have taken their British negativity with them.

..... If you were referring to me as being negative, that's your opinion. I tell it like it is. You CAN'T run a business here passively. Please prove us all wrong, but I guarantee you, ...I'll be here when you arrive, and I'll be here to wave you goodbye at the airport when you leave.

Bobby
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Just telling it like it is! ....as usual.

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[lorraine]

Hi Michelle my friend has a tanning shop and does very well. She doesnt have to work in it as you just need people to take the money and give the lotion etc. Also at the coffee morning the other day we met new lady on the site here who came on her own and is running a very good business by herself. Hey if I were you I think I find nice rich (Old , very Old Yank) and get married lol lol ......... Oh dear why didnt I think of that for me;) just joking... any way what ever you decide to do, we look forward to you arriving and coming to the girly days. We off out to lunch today, my first lunch out in 2 years wow wee, I so excited:) Take care love Lorraine

[DEE F]

Sorry the forum comments have upset you Spotty,bur fear not girl,she who dares and all that ,will pm you later,take care.

Love Dee xxxxxx

[SHEILA 13]

Lorraine,Now Calm down you know its only a bag of chips to share !!!

[spotty]

Please prove us all wrong, but I guarantee you, ...I'll be here when you arrive, and I'll be here to wave you goodbye at the airport when you leave.


Bobby, can we just accept that you and I have very different opinions and are never going to see eye to eye, and let the matter drop please? Comments such as the above are uncalled for and really are not making you look very good in other people's eyes.

[Kriz1]

I had a friend who ran a PM company on the Cape on her own...plus had a funiture painting company and 2 kids.....she was always on the go....and did sell up the MC to do the painting full time...but she did it...she was not on a visa...which does help I know...
Now its not so much work up here.... she had about 100 homes...

If you need any owners...give me a shout...I may have some to pass your way once you are up any running....

[Kriz1]

Bobby, can we just accept that you and I have very different opinions and are never going to see eye to eye, and let the matter drop please? Comments such as the above are uncalled for and really are not making you look very good in other people's eyes.

I'm sure you'll get some good advice from the people you are talking too...:D :D
And they know what they are on about....and will be honest and fair in what they tell you....the others...well...:rolleyes:

I know its hard work...I've seen that first hand myself....

[chris]

All I will say is people on the site have tried to give honest, but sometimes brutally frank answers to peoples questions. Many oif us have been given answers we don't want to hear, but I personally prefer honesty to BS.
If you intend to come her and work and receive remuneration, you will need to secure a visa (non-immigrant or immigrant) that will give you the legal right to do it. From what you've said it looks like you are talking E2. If that is the case, then the business and the owner will have to satisfy the State Dept in London. Simple as that, no ifs or buts. Or you can do the B2 route as some do and change status to E2 with USCIS. BUT you will still need to satisfy the Immigration requirements on the business and owner. If you buy or start a successful business it will grow and employ staff and you will enjoy some of the pay offs from that. BUT the State dept and USCVIS expect the owner to be actively involved in the running of the business and be knowledgeable about that business in order for it to be successful.
If you want to come via a route that is not in the FAM guidelines, then this site really should condone or encourage it.

[spotty]

I really wish I hadn't bothered starting this thread.
Chris, I specifically asked for negatives so it's not a matter of things I don't want to hear. Also, in the OP I specifically said I was unlikely to be coming via the E2 route; just because of that does NOT mean I am coming in via an illegal route and I actually find it quite offensive to have it suggested that I would, or implicate this forum in anything untoward.
Please, can I just ask anyone who has any further comments to read exactly what I have said as opposed to what you think I have said as this just isn't happening and is causing all sorts of misunderstandings.

[Bobby]

Bobby, can we just accept that you and I have very different opinions and are never going to see eye to eye, and let the matter drop please? Comments such as the above are uncalled for and really are not making you look very good in other people's eyes.

You asked for advice. I gave you some. You didn't like it.

Based on what you've said already about how and what you would like to do here, I still think it's good advice.

Of course the girlies on here will jump around the main issues and band together saying "go for it" etc. and that's expected, ...but you've already clearly stated that you would like all the lifestyle and legalities afforded an immigrant, but that you would like to run a business here passively.

Ask ANY of the women on this forum if they think it's possible and of course they'll back you, but the fact is NONE of them are doing it themselves, because ....it's just not feasible.

I don't personally wish you any bad luck. I'm posting on an open forum of which you asked advice.

You'll do well to listen to the opinions that differ from your dreams. It may serve you well to step back and look at the big picture.

Whilst I have no doubt that with hard work, ingenuity and a bit of luck along the way, it's possible for a single person to arrive here and make it a success, that's not exactly the scenario that you have been portraying, hence my opinions on your prospect of success in that manner.

Bobby
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Just telling it like it is! ....as usual.

[spotty]

Bobby, I asked for advice and I got sarcasm. If you think it's acceptable to predict failure in such a casual way then you obviously have some issues into which I do not wish to delve. The "girlies" as you call them are actually businesswomen and I'm sure have a lot more brains than you give them credit for. Possibly the reason none of them are going it alone is because they are with partners??
Once again, you do not know my plans and so you cannot really speculate, it's like trying to do a jigsaw in the dark. You can only make assumptions that have fallen way off of the mark.
I started this thread to learn about the realities of PM, instead I feel I have two people who have failed to read my posts and are just keeping on and on at me, despite requests to let it drop, and it is a very unpleasant feeling akin to being the target of playground bullies.

[chris]

Spotty,
No-one means you any ill or offence or anything like that. I'm sorry if you see it that way. We are all trying to give advice and help, and it may be brutally frank, but would you prefer we dressed it up?
From what you've given to us by information, if it's not E or L Visa and you want to buy and run a business, then I am at a total loss to give advice. They are the only legal routes to buying and running a biz in the USA that I am aware of and I've been here 7 years.
I appreciate that you are being tight lipped on your personal side and I respect that, but we can only give info based on what we are presented with.
Ignore the type of business for the moment, if you are NOT coming on E, L or illegally then how are you plannning on coming?

[JulieC]

I personally would not have wanted to run my property management co of around 34 homes by the end on my own but I do know of two management companies run by a lady alone, though one is a citizen and the other a green card holder so they dont have to have so many homes as there is no question of marginalty issues as on a visa. If you are coming out by some non visa method, whether you have won the green card lottery, have enough for EB5, or are being sponsorred by a family member, then I do think it gives you more leeway as to what you do, as you can think about other things than just fulfilling the visa requirements. Good luck in whatever you choose, and choose what works for you.

[Bobby]

I started this thread to learn about the realities of PM, instead I feel I have two people who have failed to read my posts and are just keeping on and on at me, despite requests to let it drop, and it is a very unpleasant feeling akin to being the target of playground bullies.

OK.

Here's your answer:

You CAN'T run a property management company, long term OR short term rental, passively and without proper immigration approval.

Got any more simple questions for us?, because that one's a "no brainer".

Bobby
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Just telling it like it is! ....as usual.

[tracifrost]

a good friend of mine summed up property management:
It is like being in a trench in World War 1 and on a good day, you dont get shot!!!
The more i hear about property management, the more i think about how much hard work it must be.

[Sab]

I think we are all agree that Property Management is hard. We are agree that any business is hard work. I personally know of one lady who came out here on her own and has made a success of her business. I personally run our own business on my own for a while. I feel spotty is being realistic in admitting how many hours they are in a day.

My only advise to Spotty is carry on doing your research and in the end of the day, it is your money and life. Good luck to you.


Sab

[spotty]

Have PM'd you Chris.

[Kriz1]

There is a 'girlie' on one of the forums doing it alone...in fact there are a few....maybe not in PM...but still doing something I would class as hard work when you are alone...no-one I hope would tell spotty to do something if it would put her in trouble somewhere down the line...
It is possible for anyone to do something alone even a man...but I think thats just an Urban Legend myself.....:D :D

[spotty]

Bobby, if you can't speak to me with a little more respect then can you please not post any more.

[Kriz1]

OK.

Here's your answer:

You CAN'T run a property management company, long term OR short term rental, passively and without proper immigration approval.

Got any more simple questions for us?, because that one's a "no brainer".

Bobby
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Just telling it like it is! ....as usual.

I think you have made your point..thank you.....:)

[tracifrost]

spotty: working passively for an L1 visa would work!!! not for an E2 visa,
you can apply for EB1 visa (not sure if this is the right one??) substantial investment visa of 1 million dollars.
but chris is right in what he is saying there are not many visas that offer you the ability to work passively.
The L1 visa though you can!!!! because although you are an executive, you are meant to be over seeing others in the day to day management of your company. NOT actually carrying out the work yourself, if that makes sense??

[spotty]

Yes that makes sense Traci!
Have filled Chris in so hopefully thats cleared that up.

[Kriz1]

You filled him in.......:eek: :eek:

Where I come from that means you have beaten him up....:eek:

And there was I thinking you had nowhere left to bury anymore bodies......:D :D :p :p

[spotty]

Spotty is pleading the 5th amendment on that one...:D

[Kriz1]

Did you see we have a new member who is doing the visa thing all alone spotty...??
She could be very helpful to others thinking about doing the same...

[spotty]

No, not seen that Kris, seem to have spent all bloomin' day on here fighting my corner and not had time to look elsewhere!!

[Bobby]

Bobby, if you can't speak to me with a little more respect then can you please not post any more.

This is an open forum, in which you asked for advice, ...from ALL members. Not just those you thought may support your ideals.

I haven't been disrespectful in any of my posts. Just telling it like it is, and as it goes along you change the purpose of the thread.

We know there are many single women running management companies successfully, but that's not what you asked. You suggested you might like to own one, but not be hands on, ....and asked for advice, good or bad.

I don't know of any single person, who ever bought a business to get themselves a visa, then didn't work in the business, so that's where my advice comes from. It's just not feasible. Possible ...yes! ...but not smart for the long term.

Bobby
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Just telling it like it is! ....whether you like it or not.

[spotty]

[expletives deleted by spotty who just cannot believe someone can be so determined to not let something drop]

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THIS.

[JanetTom]

Hi Spotty, with your love of animals, have you thought about a business involving them.... We have a Doggy Day Care centre near us in Longwood and they have 150 dogs a day at there centre. open 7am to 8pm and it costs
$75.00 per dog per day ...you do the maths... They get fed twice, groomed and have a huge outdoor activity yard. They won`t put out the sensitive shy dogs with the boisterous ones. It is always busy. Something on smaller scale might be appropriate. I am sure you will find something to suite yur skills and talents.... Regards Janet

[debd]

So who rattled Bobbys cage then, exactly what was the point of the posting, isn't there a fine line between being honest and just being downright rude???????? There are business out there whereby you don't have to lose all of your freetime, obviously we all know that initially there is a lot of groundwork as with any business anywhere in the world. Good Luck Spotty with finding yours.

[Kriz1]

I have asked nice Bobby...I will ask once again...your advice is noted...thank you...now unless you have anything different to add...I think we should move on...

[spotty]

$75 a day:eek: :eek: :eek:
OMG, doggies here I come LOL.
Do you know if it's a franchise Janet? There are a few but the start up costs can be quite high, still for that much $$$ I'm sure I could be creative with fundraising:D

[Kriz1]

I was a head kennel maid many years ago...:)

[spotty]

What are your rates Kriz? tee hee

[Kriz1]

What are your rates Kriz? tee hee


Gezzzzzzz....:D :D :p

[spotty]

I can just see you being dragged round the block by a bunch of marauding hounds:rolleyes:

[Kriz1]

I used to have a husky sled dog team...I know all about being dragged...lol!

[spotty]

Awww I love huskies and malamutes, no breeders anywhere near here so ended up with dalmatians instead. Have often thought about hitching them up to something tho. Could stick 'em on a treadmill and generate some electricity maybe...

[Bobby]

I have asked nice Bobby...I will ask once again...your advice is noted...thank you...now unless you have anything different to add...I think we should move on...

Yeah you're right Chris. It does seem like I'm repeating myself, and for what? You can't help SOME people.
You don't seem to get any thanks for being honest on this site. People like to dress things up because it makes their world all the more rosy and cosey. Well, I see things for what they are, and sometimes people don't like it being told in honest, bold facts.
Perhaps I'm a little harsh, but it doesn't change the facts.
I've never attacked the poster, only the post. It's absurd that anyone thinks that they can buy a property management company, come here, and then run it, on their own, "passively" Absolutely absurd. So much so I don't even know why I gave the thread my time of day. It's futile. Some others contributing aren't even answering the original post either, so what's the point!!! ???

Bobby
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Just telling it like it is! .... and people don't want to hear the truth.

[lorraine]

Well Well Well, lol what a debate hey, lol.... This is a girly here and I think you need to come out Bobby on girly night;) Lets see in one night who can earn the most drinks without doing anything me or you :p are you up for it.... xx:eek:

[spotty]

The fact is, I started the thread asking for the negatives about running a PM company. It quickly turned into a visa discussion issue, yet I have never, ever asked for advice on visas. If people had just stuck to the question I asked it would have been so much easier. My personal circumstances are actually of no relevance to the negatives of running a PM company, yet all day I have been subjected to a barrage of opinions which were irrelevant. And because I try and stick up for myself I get rudeness and sarcasm from someone who cannot accept that there can be any valid opinion other than his own. And this is from someone who knows nothing about me, other than what he has mis-read on an internet forum!! He has been repeatedly asked to drop the matter, yet has to keep coming back with yet more attacks. Absolutely unbelievable!!

[Kriz1]

Awww I love huskies and malamutes, no breeders anywhere near here so ended up with dalmatians instead. Have often thought about hitching them up to something tho. Could stick 'em on a treadmill and generate some electricity maybe...

One of my dogs was from France...there they breed them with Dalmatians for speed...

[chris]

I've just been 'filled in' by Spotty. I never knew a computer mouse could go that far down your throat. I won't say where the keyboard is, but it's mightily uncomfortable to sit down and jumping up and down tends to only tap out certain letters! ER said they've seen many thing up there but never a keyboard. At least its' wired so it still works. Optical tends not to work where the sun doesn't shine!!

Lets get some humor back folks:) :) :) :) :) :)

[lorraine]

:) Nice one Chris ha ha lol

[Kriz1]

OK I'm going out to eat with that picture in my head Chris...thank you......LOL!

:p

[DEE F]

Chris you are such a darling you so make me laugh,in fact us "girlies" have been laughing our socks off most of the day,have you noticed that we mere women were the only people who understood Spottys thread,aw well never mind men ,you must be good at something;) Glad that Spotty has cleared things up for you Chris ,and I am sure now you understand,I personally think she has done a great job in standing her corner when she didnt have to,so i think we should all kiss and make up now and bring our ball back out to play,and Spotty you go and do whatever it is that lights your cande,I am sure you will do it exceptionaly well,oh an dSpotty about the negatives of Property management,'how long of you got":D :D :D :D You all take care now and have a great evening;)


Love Dee xx

[SHEILA 13]

Well said,lets all move on.

[Bobby]

business woman???

not sure if being married to a business man counts as filling the criteria to call ones self by that title??

;)

if I haven't offended anyone, please let me know, ...I'll be on later to make sure all bases are covered!! ;)

[Bobby]

Spotty about the negatives of Property management,'how long of you got":D :D :D :D You all take care now and have a great evening;)


Love Dee xx

See!

That's exactly it. Everyone dances around with rosy posts and wont come out straight and tell Spotty that there's no way on earth you can run a property management company passively ...and on your own.

I'm wasting my time here.

[debd]

Bye then

[DEE F]

business woman???

not sure if being married to a business man counts as filling the criteria to call ones self by that title??

;)

if I haven't offended anyone, please let me know, ...I'll be on later to make sure all bases are covered!! ;) OOO Bobby how very cutting,I have dealt with more businesses than I care to remember ,but living in a male chauvanistic country does not help,I own 50% of our company ,but get some smart a*** bloke ringing up for something and no he cant speak to me, he has to speak to my husband,well I for one wont wear it and neither should any other woman be her married or single,we are capable of running a business on our own as well a home bringing up kids and sticking the brush up our A**** as we do it,but then again women can multi task we are renowned for it,so your cutting remarks Bobby I will take them with a pinch of salt as That is how they were meant I am sure;) But Please dont put us down just because we are women,until you lot start having babies you arent qualified to comment,thank you:mad:


Dee xx

[Bobby]

nice one Dee!

....I wasn't relating to anyone in particular. Those who the cap fits will wear it, ...others will protest. I threw it out there to let people think.

I'll add to it.......

What makes someone who hasn't done a thing in business in the UK, suddenly a businesswoman in the US because they immigrate and have to work in the business with their husband to make it work??

You know who you are ;)

Bobby

PS. I'm only making reference because someone mentioned earlier in this thread something about business women. I'm quite sorry, but I don't consider a woman involved in a mom & pop business in the US to meet visa criterias, a "business woman" ...Am I wrong?? You tell ME!!

[chris]

Hey Dee, here's a tip for the brush up the a***e. The ER prescribed Formula H for the keyboard up mine, so it might help for the brush. Make sure you get the brush the right way round though.Those bristly yard brushes can be hell:) :) :) :)

I am proud to say that I am not a male chauvanist, unlike many american males and I truly believe that all woman should be given every opportunity to achieve what they are capable of. I believe in true equality. Like most men, I am a whinger winer when it comes to feeling icky, off days, etc, yet my wifey never seems to ill anything (I always remember my mum was exactly the same - dad could be ill, but never her). Wifey tells me that men will never experience pain until they can give birth - I'll take her word for it, though the keyboard comes close.

My wife told me to say she had no involvement in writing this, especially as the keyboard is still stuck in the 'place' uuugh:) :) :) :)

[lorraine]

Lol ,Hey Bobby is just trying to wind us all up, so dont bite....... he hasnt offended me the only thing that would offend is if he said us women think we are equal to the men, lol ... Oh my goodness me, as if!!! We would never want to be equal to the men, why would we want to come back down to that level;) :p Now Bobby ,I know there is nothing good on TV and this is the only entertainment us Business women get, so we look forward to Monday morning 10.30 for all your views in person at the coffee morning... :rolleyes: See you there xxxx If you dare lol:eek:

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Hope to see you there Bobby,we will save you a seat !!!!

[DEE F]

I Tell you what,you two put Morecambe and Wise to shame,I have never laughed so much in my life,I know you are not a chauvanistic pig Chris ,Wendy wont let you be hahahahah not sure about you Bobby:( However I still cant decide who you are having a pop at Bobby,me women in general or someone who has recently p***** you off,obviously a woman,for those of you that know me I was a business woman in the uk long before I came here to the land of the smartmouth man,but it still doesnt follow that had I not been in business in UK I still couldnt have made it here on my own,but I know you will dissagree on that one,me i have ran a busines single handed whilst running a home bringin up kids as stated earlier whilst eating 3 dry crackers and balancing a glass of water on my head,but I havE never knocked anyone in their endeavours to better themselves and never would, anD I still say to all you gobby blokes out there go and give birth,then come back and talk to me,but dont let this spoil our friendship cos I love you all really,and just remember guys,women likethe simple things in life.......MEN;)

Love Dee xxxx

[Sab]

and we will even buy you the beverage of your choice....

[lorraine]

;) And I think they do bibs incase you spill anything, but hey dont worry all us women have nothing else to do we will clean you up:rolleyes: see you there , wear a carnation and a newspaper, we will be kindxxxpromise honest :)

[Kriz1]

I don't find the American men I know to be male chauvanist or the English guys for that matter....even being a biker woman for years and years I was always an equal.....maybe I'm just good at picking real men to be friends with....:D :D :D

[Dustin]

Why all this against fellow brits? (Or female brits!) Can’t understand some posts that just seem to rub everyone up the wrong way and why? But hey enough time wasted as I think we dont need to upset some great people for this site and some good friends. Florida Pete has helped me a great deal and upsets me to see the posts made against him and others who DO want to help this site and the good people on it.

I trust people will see that the support they have from this site and the good people on it will give you some comfort.

You will find good people on this site willing to help where they can so stick with it!:angel:

Take care

Dustin
(Not a female chauvinistic guy) :D :D :D although I like the sound of the coffee morning thing I will have the rose and the paper and YES you can buy me a drink of my choice :D :D

[Dustin]

I don't find the American men I know to be male chauvanist or the English guys for that matter....even being a biker woman for years and years I was always an equal.....maybe I'm just good at picking real men to be friends with....:D :D :D


Is I included Kriz happy birthday to your daughter:p :o We had a blast with you guys and looking forward to the next time!:D

[DEE F]

So sad! Too bad!! Bye bye Bobby! Why all this against fellow brits? (Or female brits!) Can’t understand your posts bobby you just seem to rub everyone up the wrong way and why? But hey enough time wasted on this guy as I think he has upset some great people for this site and some good friends. Florida Pete has helped me a great deal and upsets me to see the posts made against him and others who DO want to help this site and the good people on it.

Spotty I trust you will see that the support you have from this site and the god people on it will give you some comfort.

You will find good people on this site willing to help where they can so stick with it!:angel:

Take care

Thank you for that Dustin,very nice of you to stick up for your fellow Brits especially those of us of the female variety,much appreciated,But I do stand by my saying that this has got to be the most chauvanistic country in the world,and I dont kow about the other ladies ,but a lot of our men are going like them if they would only admit it,I think I may have to run for president,would you all please vote for me,thank you;)

Love Dee xxxx

Dustin
(Not a female chauvinistic guy) :D :D :D although I like the sound of the coffee morning thing I will have the rose and the paper and YES you can buy me a drink of my choice :D :D

[spotty]

Awww, thank you so much for all the messages of support, it has really restored my faith in people:angel: :notworthy:
It really was horrible to be subjected to so much unpleasantness purely because I was looking to do what I thought was something sensible, to have someone else in place and capable of running whatever business I chose to compensate for the fact that I would be a) currently unable to clone myself into two people and b) to keep the show on the road if I eg. had an accident and was unable to attend and run things. As I have said before I am currently focussing on the downsides to the various types of business; it may not be to everyone's way of thinking but I look at it from the point of view that no matter how much you love eg owning your very own store, if you are constantly being targeted by credit card fraudsters and armed robbers then that is soon going to overshadow any positives that made you buy it in the first place.
Oh, and to put anyone who doesn't yet know out of their misery as to precisely how I intend to enter the Land of the Free without doing E2 jumping-thru-hoops, L acrobatics, EB *passive*;) investing etc etc...well...I would just like to say....Bobby, sweetkins, would you do me the honour of being my bridesmaid?:cool: :cool:

I am soooooo outta here now:D

[tracifrost]

this thread is getting a bit old now, but just to chip in,
dont forget behind every successful business man, there is a woman!!!
xxxxxxxxx

[Kriz1]

Is I included Kriz happy birthday to your daughter:p :o We had a blast with you guys and looking forward to the next time!:D


I'll tell her...:D :D
You did make all us women walk 12 steps behind you in the parks...:p :p :p

Hubby has some companies to send his CV too this weekend they have shown an interest...the jobs are in MA but they have places in FL too...and his company here really missed him...a $20k rise would keep him here.....;) ;)

[chris]

There are many businesses you can run on your own and many you can't. How many one armed window cleraners have you seen for example?

If a businessman has a sex change, does that make them a business woman? Change in 'bits' apart, they are still the same on the inside?

And fiinally before this post closes, can someone help me with the keyboard please. it's been two days now and pulling on that USB is an SOB not counting being a pain the a***e - literally!!!!:) :) :)

[InnVic]

I have not posted on this tread so far but am intrigued...am I missing the obvious?? Spotty implies she can enter the US legally "by another method" and so E2 or similar visa is not a required consideration business wise.

If this is truely the case then why not save your money, don't buy a business with associated risk and just get a regular job when you're here???


(P.S I'm female, owned own marketing company in UK for 13 years, and now principal investor in US business with husband.....so think I qualify as "business woman" ;) still not offended by Bobby - you have to try harder!)

[InnVic]

There are many businesses you can run on your own and many you can't. How many one armed window cleraners have you seen for example?

If a businessman has a sex change, does that make them a business woman? Change in 'bits' apart, they are still the same on the inside?

Only if the brain is also changed...I'll leave each to figure that one out :-)

And fiinally before this post closes, can someone help me with the keyboard please. it's been two days now and pulling on that USB is an SOB not counting being a pain the a***e - literally!!!!:) :) :)

I prescribe a cocktail of Heinz baked beans, Vindaloo, Guiness and brussel sprouts...should effectivly blast the offending article out. But PLEASE wash your hands before typing any more messages!

[DEE F]

Hahahahah nice one Innvic,and Chris the brush has been up there so long now i hardly notice,however I would really do something about that keyboard as no way will you be able to wear your thong whilst you are walking the whippets in summer hahahaha take care

Dee xxx

[spotty]

InnVic, the clue may have been in the word "bridesmaid";) tee hee.
As to why I don't just save my money and just get a job, well that's a very good question...basically I'm well past my sell-by date when it comes to working for someone else (for that, read "miserable old cow") and somehow having to say "Have a Nice Day" thru gritted teeth hundreds of times a day is not my idea of fun:mad:
Sorry about the keyboard Chris, won't push so hard next time, mate:eek: :p

[Bobby]

If you're suggesting that you are in fact getting married to come here, then I think you've lead everyone a merry dance, and caused yourself the trouble on this thread. When I first read the post I had no idea what you were asking because it seemed like a no brainer that you wouldn't be able to run a management company passively, that's why I suggested salon etc. but now you're giving out little bits of info at a time and obviously PM some people and not others, so anyone not receiving your PM's has no idea what you're doing, so I think the thread should be closed for what it has been.
A total mess from the start.
If you're looking for advice in future, why don't you PM a few people and give them the whole story and post something cryptic for everyone else. Just wasting people's time.

Maybe you'll explain,

[spotty]

I don't have to explain anything to anyone, Bobby. And I am certainly not wasting anyone's time.
The situation changed from when I first started posting, it's as simple as that.
I will have strong words with my friend for becoming seriously ill and possibly needing a liver transplant, shall I? Because it's her fault things changed initially!
I will then severely admonish my man for his poor timing which has made me out to look like a timewaster in people's eyes. You will be accusing me of being a mail order bride next, no doubt. I am certainly not "getting married to come here", we both find that allegation offensive as that could be insinuating we are comitting visa fraud. I suggest no more is said on the subject or else I shall be forced to involve my legal representative.

The only thing I have ever asked for is advice on types of business, never on types of visa. My personal situation has never been relevant to the questions I have been asking, feel free to check my posts and you will see that I have never asked for entry advice. The problem has been that other people have kind of made it their business to keep pressing for information as to why I was looking at things from a viewpoint that perhaps wasn't that expected from an E2 applicant.
Next time before I post a thread I will first consult my friend in Miami; she is a professional psychic and will be able to tell me what is actually going to happen in the future so I can include her predictions accordingly.
And then we will all be happy!

[Bobby]

I am certainly not "getting married to come here", we both find that allegation offensive as you could be saying we are comitting visa fraud. I suggest you say no more on the subject or else I shall be forced to involve my legal representative.



Please tell me where I alleged that you would be committing fraud, because I, in fact, find that very offensive.
I never said anything about your legal status and how you were getting here.
YOU were the one who suggested you needed a bridesmaid, so stop playing games with everyone here!

....and good luck with the legal representation.

Bobby
__________________________________________________
Just telling it like it is! ....as usual.

[spotty]

Yawn........
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... ......Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........

[chris]

Ding, Ding Round 36!!
I know I'm one of these oddball characters acalled men but let me just try and set a few straight before I ask a moderator to step in to the fray.
EV is about Immigration and life and everything else here. For people in the UK who ask about businesses to run in the US, the question od Business and Visa go hand in hand. I think you find that everyone on this site would agree with that concept.
It follows that advice people will give here will be largely geared to that concept. Many on here will know which types of businesses are likely to qualify for a Visa (Not just E Visa) and which ones are likely to get a hard time at the embassy. That is why Bobby's advice has been geared in such a way.
This site is not a Business Broker and it is those professionals who give advice on buying a business per se. If you were an American and asked what type of business to buy and run in the US, then you get a completely different answer to ours, simply because the Visa/Immigration bit comes into play. If you give one person 50% of the information and another 100% of the information you'll get two different answers, simple as that.
No-one Spotty is intentionally trying to do you down and score points or anything like that. Take a deep breath, TGIF and have a nice drink and weekend.
But meantime just think of me with the vaseline and the keyboard:) :) :)

[InnVic]

Well congratulations...but do consider a couple of points.

If it is your intention to marry a US citizen then you couldn't get an E2 as your intent would NOT be to leave the US.

If you come over on a fiancees visa then I believe your not allowed to work until you get your LPR approved?

If it were me I'd say yes, bank my cash (after signing pre-nup of course!) and find a villa with a pool to pose around! (preferably with a cute little pool guy wearing those James Bond shorts, all bronze and glistening .......oooohh errr!)

[Bobby]

I don't have to explain anything to anyone, Bobby. !

Yes you do. If you want to receive the correct advice.

[Kriz1]

Spotty has lead no-one a merry dance....she asked a question giving all the info needed....

I quote...... "I may well be in the position where I achieve residency another way so I am hopefully not going to have to select something with E2 qualifying criteria in mind. Indeed, I am looking for something which can be passively managed or overseen so would be highly unlikely to qualify." unquote...

[InnVic]

But meantime just think of me with the vaseline and the keyboard:) :) :)

you've just ruined my weekend:eek:

[Kriz1]

If I have to step in here because this topic goes downhill once again...I will not be a happy bunny....

[spotty]

Look, I'm sick and tired of all this and I'm leaving the forum. I am not a fruitcake and am not going to be spoken to like that.
The reason I didn't give away too many details was A) I do not wish to put my entire private life on the internet for all to see B) I gave the info relevant to the question asked and C) the situation was constantly changing anway and new ideas were being mooted.
Exactly, InnVic re: the conflict of intent. The situation can be looked at from many angles, all raising a different set of questions. I will not discuss private details on a public forum in the same way I would if I were amongst you personally and will not be given a hard time because some people feel I should.
Like I said, enough is enough. I feel I have my own "pet" stalker who keeps hounding me, now another is joining in, I'm just going to sort it out privately so that way I won't offend anyone.

[Kriz1]

Ok...I'm going to lock this topic for a little while until I've talked to the people involved...

[Munish]

If you come over on a fiancees visa then I believe your not allowed to work until you get your LPR approved?

Is this really true that you cannot get an EAD before you change status from fiance to spouse?

[punky]

I am reopening this topic.

Can I please remind our users to be civil and respectful of one another, despite what their opinions may be. If you can't post like that, then don't post.

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Thankyou

[Kriz1]

Can someone please answer the question posted by Munish.....:) :)

[v2002]

Is this really true that you cannot get an EAD before you change status from fiance to spouse?
REPEATING MY RESPONSE:
Munish when you come on fiance visa its good for 90 days .. so NO EAD during those 90 days period .
Once you get married... you get Marriage Certificate in about 30 days so NO EAD.
Once you have Marriage Certificate in hand and you apply for EAD another 90 days wait ... current wait is 180 days in some cases .. till you have EAD in hand one cannot work.

It is wrong to say "If you come over on a fiancee visa then you are not allowed to work until you get your LPR approved" .. because.. one can apply fo EAD card along with I-485 & get ead in 45 to 90 days time.(one does not wait till "LPR approved")
Bottom line its true - till you get married and apply for I-485 along with ead .. one cannot work -till you have EAD IN HAND & you cannot apply for EAD before you change status from fiance to spouse?
Fiance cannot work on " K " visa

[Munish]

Thanks again V2002