Must Viewing tonight-Glenn Beck-immigration

[Susie]

Hi

This is must viewing tonight, the trailer says could be a bit heated, at 9pm EST channel 30, headline news


Can anyone record and post here? sorry unable to do it as not very technical


http://www.glennbeck.com/home/index.shtml


contact Glenn Beck


Glenn Beck | me@glennbeck.com
This is the general contact for reaching Glenn Beck. Please note that Glenn gets hundreds of emails everyday and while he does read them he does not always have the opportunity to answer them all.

[byjove]

Sue,

HAve you emailed Munish's letters to this guy?

[Susie]

Hi

well here is a copy of my e-mail and urge others to also make contact




Dear Glenn,

What is going on with the immigration laws in this country? Why reward illegals when so many legal immigrants are separated from loved ones or landlocked and cannot leave the US to visit dying loved ones? Where is there any commpassion?

If the Strive act is passed it will be depremental to USC's who will no longer be able to sponsor their immeadiate family members only minor children will count


Committtee members at www.expatsvoice.org urge a talk show with the law makers to request a compassionate visa and protection for legal children who have no status upon reaching 21 years or age

We love the American peopleand a true privialge to live here, but ask why does beauaracy interfer with the true spirt of the law ?

Yes you must deal with the illegal immigrants but the comprehension immigration reforms must send a clear message and be fair, no nonsense and include a balance to assist legal immigrants

We shall all be watching your program this evening with interest and hope that you do contact myself to discuss further

Warmenst regards

Sue Ward

[Susie]

Sue,

HAve you emailed Munish's letters to this guy?



Hi,

No not yet as I am waiting a (Hopefully) positive reply from a few congress people and need to speak with Mun on the contents of the documents he has written

But, I urge you to e-mail Glenn Beck and copy it here, lets all do it if we can spare a moment

[kirtida8]

Hi Sue,

I have emailed Munish's letter to Glenn. asked him to read/quote from it tonight or visit us at the forum and then see that a full program is needed to highlight our problems. Hope it helps.

[byjove]

Mine is bit bit long winded I feel, and normally I would say every little helps, but not this case. hehehehe


Hello



I understand you are doing a show on immigration this evening.

I am a member of expat's voice currently in this country on an E2 non-immigrant visa.

www.expatsvoice.org is a collection of mainly British people, bought together under similar circumstances. Trying to be heard. We have not "rallied" for our rights. We do not DEMAND anything from the government with regards to housing or welfare, we do not ask for books written in another language. And we certainly don't earn any brownie points for being your closest allies! In fact all we ask is for fair treatment under immigration laws that not pushes us away but celebrates what we do, do to contribute to the economy and our community, for our kids to be given rights and not punished (please read below) for something they had no decision in making.



Under current immigration law, we have no direct path to becoming citizens. This is our plight! We need to be heard. I know that there is an act going through congress ATM, but it is mainly aimed at ILLEGAL immigration reforms. We are in the most part being over looked.



If the principal visa holder should unfortunately die the visa dies with them, the family will inherit the business but not the visa. And are told to leave. Kids who are now adults, petitioned for the Green Card in 1991 with the whole family but have aged out after waiting 10 years at 21, and after this kick get sent back to "home" country to re-apply. This, in total, could be nearly 30 years waiting.



Children who often come over as babies or very young, "age out" at 21 and have no rights, and are sent back to there "home" This cannot be home if you have spent all your life here in the USA.



My children are 9 and 11. We have been here since 2004. My daughter (9) has an American accent, they both pledge to the flag every morning as they should do when living in another country, sings the national anthem knowing this better than our own. She is in her eyes an American. England is a really nice place to visit and nanny and grandad lives there. That is all she remembers. At 21, if we cannot get the laws changed, she gets sent back to a country that she does not know. Her whole education paid for by the great American tax payer would be wasted, as it would hold no value. My son is highly intelligent, his teacher feels he will do something that will change the world. Every 2 years we have to leave to renew our I94 visa, our E2 visa needs renewing in 2008. To do this we submit the application, get an interview in LONDON, if you are granted fine back you come, but what if you are refused?



But my kids are still young, mine is a minor problem , compared to the others on expat's voice that are needing help as soon as possible. Susie is the person who started Expats voice. Herself, her now late husband and one other. She is far more qualified to explain what it is we are seeking help with. Please find her at www.expatsvoice.org . She is the main party involved. We are all trying to help each other .



One mother forced to leave her son her as he is doing his degree on an F visa. Her choice was to leave after 4 years here and allow him the chance to finish his degree or try to stay and every one loose everything. She is now residing in Europe, hoping she may be able to back some day. This is heart breaking to me.



If you would be so kind as to visit www.expatsvoice.org you will see the MANY different stories of how we came over here. For some it has been a very badly dealt set of cards, with the whole deck against the hand they play. Others have been forced apart from their family's being what we called "landlocked". Saying goodbye to elderly parents via a recording. Because leaving while in status change leaves you unable to get back.



There are so, so many, sometimes horrific stories, to many to list.



Once again thank you very much. I look forward to watching this topic this evening with great anticipation.



Regards

[Susie]

Thanks, as you say every little helps to raise awarenss

[Susie]

Saw the show and a little disappointing, Glenn did however raise the point that USC will suffer as a result as they will no longer be able to sponsor their close family members except children under 21 years


I did receive (my thanks to byjove) a call from the PR department of the Glenn Beck show tonight, urging me to contact his producer, and promptly gave me his direct line ! Will call tomorrow

[DEE F]

Hi all ,first of all let me say to all of you campaigning for changes may I say very well done to each and every one of you,however after reading the various threads on getting medias attention I have to say I personally dont think they want to know,much the same as I dont think the politicians are interested either,as far as the media is concerned they want ratings, that is how they make their money,our stories dont give them that, we are yesterdays news,as for the politicians we are no use to them because we dont have a vote ,that is why all their efforts are placed on the illegals rightly or wrongly,when these people get their citizenships then bingo,another 12 million votes for them,so why would they want to help us,it is a sad state of affairs but true,no vote =no say !!!!!!! I am not saying dont do it just dont expect any miracles to happen,you only have to look at the Trevor Macdonald show for that,I dont know what the answer is I wish I did,it does sadden me to see everyone trying so hard,but the immigration system is so broken that I cant begin to see how it will ever get repaired,and I remember the answer I got from a District Attorney whom I tried to get to fight my corner when my daughter was having all her troubles,albeit he was sympathetic to a fault,his hands were tied,and he said to me you cannot fight the system!!!!!!!!! The laws in this country are made to be adhered to and that included the ridiculous immigration laws,where one hand doesnt know what the other is doing,and that was coming from a top DA,half the departments dont even communicate with each other,and that shows in their many many cock ups time and time again,but this is just my opinion and I wish you all the very best of luck in all you are trying to acheive,I myself am now working on something to get our stories heard,but it is very much behind the scenes at the moment,any way good luck to all of you.Take care.

Love Dee xx

[SHEILA 13]

Well Dee my friend that was straight from the heart.
Thankyou for been so honest.
Take Care
Sheila

[byjove]

Hi all ,first of all let me say to all of you campaigning for changes may I say very well done to each and every one of you,however after reading the various threads on getting medias attention I have to say I personally dont think they want to know,much the same as I dont think the politicians are interested either,as far as the media is concerned they want ratings, that is how they make their money,our stories dont give them that, we are yesterdays news,as for the politicians we are no use to them because we dont have a vote ,that is why all their efforts are placed on the illegals rightly or wrongly,when these people get their citizenships then bingo,another 12 million votes for them,so why would they want to help us,it is a sad state of affairs but true,no vote =no say !!!!!!! I am not saying dont do it just dont expect any miracles to happen,you only have to look at the Trevor Macdonald show for that,I dont know what the answer is I wish I did,it does sadden me to see everyone trying so hard,but the immigration system is so broken that I cant begin to see how it will ever get repaired,and I remember the answer I got from a District Attorney whom I tried to get to fight my corner when my daughter was having all her troubles,albeit he was sympathetic to a fault,his hands were tied,and he said to me you cannot fight the system!!!!!!!!! The laws in this country are made to be adhered to and that included the ridiculous immigration laws,where one hand doesnt know what the other is doing,and that was coming from a top DA,half the departments dont even communicate with each other,and that shows in their many many cock ups time and time again,but this is just my opinion and I wish you all the very best of luck in all you are trying to acheive,I myself am now working on something to get our stories heard,but it is very much behind the scenes at the moment,any way good luck to all of you.Take care.

Love Dee xx


Oh! Dee! :( I am sorry you feel so,so about the media, immigration and the such. But if we dont at least TRY something we will never know! Maybe we are handing TCP and a plaster to a very broken system, someone, some day some where (isnt that line in a song?!:o ) may develop a big enough plaster to cover all the breaks, maybe not! Who knows, but we have to try.

At the end of the day, even if we cant get anywhere, we all met some bloody nice people on here who deserve so much more in life than the ****e they are being served right now, and at least we can all say we tried!:hug:

xx


ps. I am soooooooooooo excited about the contact from the PR almost running to the loo over that one!!!!

[DEE F]

Oh! Dee! :( I am sorry you feel so,so about the media, immigration and the such. But if we dont at least TRY something we will never know! Maybe we are handing TCP and a plaster to a very broken system, someone, some day some where (isnt that line in a song?!:o ) may develop a big enough plaster to cover all the breaks, maybe not! Who knows, but we have to try.

At the end of the day, even if we cant get anywhere, we all met some bloody nice people on here who deserve so much more in life than the ****e they are being served right now, and at least we can all say we tried!:hug:

xx


ps. I am soooooooooooo excited about the contact from the PR almost running to the loo over that one!!!!

Hi Byjove,like I said in my post just my opinion,and each to their own,maybe some day someone will listen who knows,no harm in trying as they say,as far as I am concerned I must have written to every senator congresman there are and zilch,same old story we would love to help but................... so no I personally dont think anything will get done ,they are too busy helping the illegals,and people like Annie and me are sick of all the crap they come out with,we certainly never got anywhere,and both our families were affected,my daughter has a lifetime ban from this country,and for what,for coming to see her parents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But like I said I wish all of you the very best of luck.


Love Dee xxxx

[Kriz1]

Someone did a report on how many people in the last Amnesty now voted..and it was a very low number...I'll see if I can find the report....

[Kriz1]

If you read a few of the news papers....a lot of illegals are just waiting for the Amnesty because they know it will come....and it will...not matter how much kicking and screaming people do...the last Amnesty had a lot of the same things in place this one has...learn English...pay fines...pay back taxes...closed the boarder...did that work ...no...will it this time...no...I will place a bet that in 10 years...20 million plus illegals will be in this country....

[byjove]

Trouble is they play dirty!!! So! We need to too! Maybe we are being to "British" MAybe we need to scream "RACIAL DISCRIMINATION" as they do to get any where!

Our upper lips are to stiff!!!!!! Lets let 'em flap free in the wind! Scream it from the hills! Maybe it wont do anything, your right. And I cant imagine how you feel Dee! I would be beside myself if my family could not be with me, albeit 3 weeks of the year. So.... I will be VERY American and send you a huge :hug: 'coz I think we all need one sometimes!

[DEE F]

If you read a few of the news papers....a lot of illegals are just waiting for the Amnesty because they know it will come....and it will...not matter how much kicking and screaming people do...the last Amnesty had a lot of the same things in place this one has...learn English...pay fines...pay back taxes...closed the boarder...did that work ...no...will it this time...no...I will place a bet that in 10 years...20 million plus illegals will be in this country....

My sentiments exactly Kriz,and Byjove thank you;)


Dee xx

[byjove]

Oh you are soooooo welcome Dee xxx

[kirtida8]

There is always going to be an illegal problem - no matter which country you go to. It is how that problem is handled that determines how severe it gets. If there were more deportations, companies fined severely or even threatened with closure, fairer trade with third world countries so that they did not feel the need to leave to get a better deal elsewhere, and a fairer and easier way to get in legally (without being hassled with renewals every 2 years say or families detained because they come to visit) then maybe it would help ease the situation. At the end of the day, we are all a little guilty of helping to exacerbate the situation - after all we all want cheaper food and goods right? How many of us can actually say that we always pay top dollar for everything because we know how much it would cost to produce the food/goods? Not many I'll bet as we all have budgets and very few of us are financially that well off. So how do companies achieve the lower cost - by hiring illegals and paying them peanuts, or by paying the third world countries pennies for the same goods that would otherwise cost $'s.
Fining companies that break the law so heavily that it actually makes them think, and then backing that up with enforcement and deportations would deter some, though not all. But just rolling over and giving an amnesty every 10 years is lunacy as it will just encourage more to come via this route, especially when all legal routes are closed or nigh on impossible to get through.:fit:
Many have voiced the opinion that we will never be able to fix this broken system and so should not bother - but I do not agree. Just because something seems impossible doesn't mean that we shouldn't at least try. There are plenty of examples throughout history of seemingly impossible feats being accomplished with time and determination. As they say " a journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step" and every step we take in trying to affect change, may not benefit us now - but may benefit our children or grandchildren one day - so it is still worth taking in my view. This is just my viewpoint, and you are free to disagree with it.:hug:

[Kriz1]

I just can't see how people can't see that illegals are just slave labour...and also how unfair everything is for people of all races who wait inline....you could cry seeing men stand waiting to get their visa's in Mexcio....some wait for days in the boiling sun....it has to be so hurtful to know others may just get given what you've worked hard for...because they broke the law ...there are many many poor people all over the world who should be able to get a work visa here...it should not just be for the poor who can walk here....

[SHEILA 13]

I agree with some points on this thread but at the end of the day it is "each to their own"
This is an open forum and everyone is entitled to thier own opinion.

Sheila

[DEE F]

There is always going to be an illegal problem - no matter which country you go to. It is how that problem is handled that determines how severe it gets. If there were more deportations, companies fined severely or even threatened with closure, fairer trade with third world countries so that they did not feel the need to leave to get a better deal elsewhere, and a fairer and easier way to get in legally (without being hassled with renewals every 2 years say or families detained because they come to visit) then maybe it would help ease the situation. At the end of the day, we are all a little guilty of helping to exacerbate the situation - after all we all want cheaper food and goods right? How many of us can actually say that we always pay top dollar for everything because we know how much it would cost to produce the food/goods? Not many I'll bet as we all have budgets and very few of us are financially that well off. So how do companies achieve the lower cost - by hiring illegals and paying them peanuts, or by paying the third world countries pennies for the same goods that would otherwise cost $'s.
Fining companies that break the law so heavily that it actually makes them think, and then backing that up with enforcement and deportations would deter some, though not all. But just rolling over and giving an amnesty every 10 years is lunacy as it will just encourage more to come via this route, especially when all legal routes are closed or nigh on impossible to get through.:fit:
Many have voiced the opinion that we will never be able to fix this broken system and so should not bother - but I do not agree. Just because something seems impossible doesn't mean that we shouldn't at least try. There are plenty of examples throughout history of seemingly impossible feats being accomplished with time and determination. As they say " a journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step" and every step we take in trying to affect change, may not benefit us now - but may benefit our children or grandchildren one day - so it is still worth taking in my view. This is just my viewpoint, and you are free to disagree with it.:hug:

Hi there,quoting confucious or Buddah is all very well and good,but how many times do we have to stand up and be counted in this country,for gods sake half of them dont even realise there are other countries out there,that is the sheer arrogance of them,we dont vote so therefore we dont count,I would love to say it is a mistake or typing error ,but we all know that isnt true,you are talking about departments that are supposedly working together who dont even communicate with each other,so until the get their own house in order,they are not going to change things for us,who come here knowing all the pitfalls,yes you are pefectly true in what you say things should change and who knows perhaps in time they will,but I certainly wont be holding my breath,to give us compassion they need to know what it means,and that in my opinion they certainly dont.

Dee xxx

[Munish]

Let me sum up why the system is broken:


Not enough visas are issued causing a backlog (this can easily be fixed by increasing the number of visas issued but the lawmakers are not doing so); and
The people who work in the immigration field have many idiots and racists (this can't be fixed anytime soon, particularly as the comprehensive immigration reform package currently has no provisions in relation to this problem).

[anniefromessex]

I have been hanging back a bit the last few days, to be honest with you I really feel how Dee does and that we are going round in circles.

I will give you an example of how my life is now - due to the immigration laws of this country. I don't want sympathy, I am telling you how it is for ME and how it has impacted our lives!!

It is a year now last Friday when Daniel and his family were denied entry to this country. Since then we have had many ups and downs, but mainly we still kept our chins up because we knew that they were going to stay in England, do what was needed and then re-apply. We have had to deal with not seeing our granddaughter on a daily basis (she is the apple of her grandads eye and every moment apart from her tears him apart), at one time she wouldn't even talk to us on the phone, even now it is sporadic - typical 3year old!!! When she does actually talk to us, you can see the love and desperation in Teds eyes, he just so wants to get hold of her and hug her.

In the interim and because of the stresses and strains they have had to deal with, they are not in a good place personally (that is not something I am willing to go into on this forum), suffice to say they have now decided they are not even trying to come back here to live. For those of you on here who would say they should have done things differently, there but for the grace of God go you as far as I am concerned. We can all be wise in hindsight, Mr Godalmighty Hall got our Visas for us and even though we had issues with him he talked the talk as they say, and like fools we believed him. Once you commit, you are then in a Catch 22 situation, damnded if you do, damned if you don't. We then employed Immigration Attorneys who had come highly recommended and, indeed, they got our Green Cards for us, but let Daniel down badly. In the 2 years or so they were here, and because of bad advice etc, they spent thousands of dollars not only on Attorneys but also on flights back to England every 3 months (remember I told you Catch 22), and even though it wasn't the way we wanted it, how do you get yourself out of said situation. All in all a very nasty experience for all concerned, but in the meantime, we did try to have a good life over here until the dreaded 3 month thing was up again and then it was back to chewing nails etc.

I for one am totally sick of the whole scenario, even on good days either Ted or I will say something that will bring the whole issue back. As you probably know, I don't want to be here, I don't want to be in England - for Gods sake I am 55 years of age and my life should be settled now but it isn't. None of you really know the whole story - for 3 years I have been shuttling back and forth between here and England because my Mum was so ill, I had to put myself out of status with no compassion from the Embassy whatsoever. My Mum eventually died, but I am now going through it with my Dad, okay we have Green Cards but even that doesn't save me from the harassment I receive at the hands of Immigration. There is something on the screen, that even though I went through the rigours of getting my Green Card, has still not been removed and I am subjected to secondary questioning every time I come back. I have now sent a Comment Card to them which I requested when I returned the last time and have told them that unless something is sorted out before I return from Grand Cayman (if I am questioned again) then I will be taking it further. Do they not see that without the likes of us here, this country would be in a deep dark place. I will reiterate again, they are scared of us - because we have brains. On many many occasions I have had to deal with people who do not speak good English/American and mistakes have been made because of it. It is about time the people of this country were made aware of just what is lacking - common sense!!!

Ted and I loved every moment of the times we spent 6 months here, we should have carried on doing that as far as I am concerned - this country does not really want us - although even if we had still been doing the 6 month thing, they make it more or less impossible for you to survive here what with the change of Driving Licenses etc etc.

Ted and I were at loggerheads again today - he hates not this country per se but the laws of this land with regard to immigration here, I tried to stick up for them a bit, he just looked at me and said "look at me, look at you, this country has done this to us because of their stupidity, look at our lives now without our loved ones around us, now stick up for them". In all fairness, I couldn't!!!

Enough said!!! That is why I understand where Dee is coming from, her daughter did nothing wrong, Daniel, in essence, really did nothing wrong, but there are a whole lot of people over here who did and they are laughing!!!!!

Love Anniexxx

[SHEILA 13]

Hi Annie,You have hit the nail on the head in your last couple of sentences,it isnt fair how people "buck"the system.
My heart goes out to you as I know what you are going through.
Take Care and see you soon.
Love Sheila x

[paulbweb]

Just curious, have you tried recording interviews amongst yourselves about the unfair treatment you receive and what happens to the children once they get older. Then post them on YouTube for the whole country and the world to see.

[kirtida8]

I did suggest this a while back on another thread, but nobody took up the offer as far as I am aware. It would be a good idea as a lot of the morning news shows regularly show clips from YouTube!

[tracifrost]

Can i also mention something here, not sure who will read and who wont, but anyway,
the reasons at the moment for immigration not changing their system, is because we put up with it!! plain and simple, we all hear and read of broken families, heartaches, landlocks, you name it. But guess what the very thing we all complain about, we all put up with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dee mentioned in an earlier post, about the americans thinking theirs is the only country. TRUE. but we are all the same, myself included, there were plenty of other countries that doesnt have such a harsh legal system, most of us here are british, so even, spain, portugal, Italy etc, but we all chose this one.
We all complain, yet we are all still here then try to get our families out here aswell.
No doubt you all as well as me, complained about systems in the UK, whatever they are, so here we are complaining about the system in the US.
With some people's experiences on here of the US, to leave a bad taste in my mouth is an understatement of the year, i wouldnt even want to live here. but we still do and suffer the system, people can change the system yes, but not the very same people who put up with it!!

[Susie]

Hi Dee,

You are 100% correct when you say that each department does not know what the other is doing and in any case one department tends to try and over rule the other

First we have service centres, Texas, Vermont and CA, then we have the Department of state, ICE (Immigration and customs enforcement) USCIS United states citizenship and immigration services, then NVC (National Visa Centre) Homeland Security, blah , blah


To give an expample,

A LPR sponsors a child to follow to join parents in the USA. To do this the principal files an I 824. This say is filed in Texas, once approved is forward to the NVC (National Visa Centre in New Hampshire, from there a package is sent out. Once completed the package is returned to NVC, from there the file is then sent from New hampshire to the Consulate abroad

The beneficiary then has to wait for appointment , interview , then have medical, police report of any criminal reord or clean record, the beneficiary cannot make an appointment for this final process but has to wait for an invitation for interview. There have been many cases where the file has got lost or gone astry !

I am not surprised given the facts and as you can see left hand right hand, Texas can approve a petition but the American Embassy can over turn. Even if both do approve the application there is no saying that the beneficiary will be approved by the POE (port of entry) immigration staff.

The person who has the final say is the POE immigraion officer. What a farce and a complete mess

[Susie]

Just curious, have you tried recording interviews amongst yourselves about the unfair treatment you receive and what happens to the children once they get older. Then post them on YouTube for the whole country and the world to see.

Hi Paul

The committee is working on making our own documentary, posting here and sending to all Senators. We are also trying to find a celeb to interview us on film. Good idea about You Tube, heard of it, but no idea what it is all about

If anyone can offer assistance in the production, please send me a pm

[Susie]

Hi Byjove,like I said in my post just my opinion,and each to their own,maybe some day someone will listen who knows,no harm in trying as they say,as far as I am concerned I must have written to every senator congresman there are and zilch,same old story we would love to help but................... so no I personally dont think anything will get done ,they are too busy helping the illegals,and people like Annie and me are sick of all the crap they come out with,we certainly never got anywhere,and both our families were affected,my daughter has a lifetime ban from this country,and for what,for coming to see her parents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But like I said I wish all of you the very best of luck.


Love Dee xxxx



Hi Dee

Have you spoken to Terry Mulford of Dave Weldon's office? If not, please book appontment for you and me!


If not I urge you contact him, NOW, (I have a very good reason for saying this ) sign a release of infomation form, book and appointment to see him (I am willing to come with you)

His number is (321) 632 1776 he is in Melbourne, FL,, Please call me tomorrow, need to speak