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Munish
07-07-2007, 07:50 PM
Immigration reform is essential (http://www.dailypress.com/news/opinion/dp-58936sy0jul07,0,2062588.story?coll=dp-opinion-editorials)

David Jarman
July 7, 2007

There seemed to be something for everyone to hate in the latest stab at comprehensive immigration reform. Immigrant groups thought it offered little hope to low-skilled, mostly Hispanic, would-be migrants and jeopardized re-unification of family members.

Right-wingers contended that it was nothing but "amnesty" for illegals. Companies said it imposed excessive bureaucratic burdens on employers. Left-wingers complained that it would depress low-end wages of American workers.

Let's look at the facts. Each year approximately 1.5 million foreigners enter this country, the overwhelming majority in search of work. Unlike the early 20th century when the majority of newcomers were from Europe, today more than half come from Latin America and a quarter from Asia. The problem is that the U.S. immigration system accommodates only about 1 million; the remaining 500 thousand are illegals, undermining the rule of law, endangering U.S. security and souring native-born Americans' attitudes on all newcomers.

Should these trends continue, America's ethnic profile in 2050 will look much different: Hispanics will grow from 12 percent to 25 percent of the total and Asians from 4 percent to 8 percent, while non-Hispanic whites will shrink from 69 percent to 50 percent and blacks will remain unchanged at 14 percent. This changed ethnic profile could significantly reshape our politics and culture.

Immigration is essential to the functioning of the American economy in today's age of globalization. Immigrants, both legal and illegal, provide a means to match the gap between supply and demand for workers, both skilled and unskilled. Highly skilled immigrants, perhaps 15 percent of the current annual influx, make up some 25 percent of our doctors, nurses and PhDs and 40 percent of our top scientists and engineers.

Unskilled labor is particularly scarce in America, as the share of native-born workers with less than a high-school diploma has fallen from 50 percent in 1960 to 12 percent today. The gap is filled by immigrant workers; some 24 percent of farm workers, 17 percent of cleaners and 14 percent of construction workers are illegal immigrants. Immigrants, both legal and illegal, benefit the businesses that hire them and benefit consumers by providing lower-priced goods and services.

The fiscal burden of illegal immigrants is mixed. The cost of providing K-12 education and emergency medical care is borne at the state and local level and may exceed the gains from sales-tax revenue and needed labor. However, at the federal level the benefits clearly exceed the costs, as illegals contribute each year to Social Security and receive no corresponding benefits. Social Security actuaries calculate that over the next 75 years all immigrants (legal and illegal) will pay some $5 trillion more in payroll taxes than they receive in benefits.

The effects of not reaching a viable compromise are serious. First, illegal immigration will continue to grow. Second, improvements to border security will not occur; the current system will continue to be laughably inadequate. Third, local and state governments will take steps to address their individual situations, often in ways that will be disruptive and unhelpful. Fourth, the gap between supply and demand for workers will grow, and economic growth and price stability will be hampered.

Tamar Jacoby, senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, says the important question is how to structure a system going forward that grapples with globalization and the choices it poses for America. This means a flexible system that strikes the right balance between skilled and unskilled, and between temporary and permanent. This will likely result in more permanent immigrant workers, and a flexible mix of skilled and unskilled, depending on economic conditions.

If we establish a flexible program to address future immigration, the status of past illegals becomes less important. In fact, it may prove that the Senate bill approved in 2006, establishing a legal path only for those illegals with over five years residence in-country, may prove a possible compromise.

All sides should recognize that it is in their joint interests to reach closure.

Jarman is a resident of James City County.

Munish
07-07-2007, 07:57 PM
Interesting projection on the population demographics. I wander where they come from?

kirtida8
07-07-2007, 09:29 PM
Agree with you Munish that it is an interesting shift in the projected demographics. No wonder most white Americans are scared of the "invasion" and hence think any immigration reform, even if it means less investment, is better than no action and a surge of hispanics to the point where they become the minority.

Susie
07-08-2007, 01:33 AM
Thanks Mun,

Puts a different view on immigration very well, and yes agree with you

kirtida8
07-08-2007, 07:56 AM
The fiscal burden of illegal immigrants is mixed. The cost of providing K-12 education and emergency medical care is borne at the state and local level and may exceed the gains from sales-tax revenue and needed labor. However, at the federal level the benefits clearly exceed the costs, as illegals contribute each year to Social Security and receive no corresponding benefits. Social Security actuaries calculate that over the next 75 years all immigrants (legal and illegal) will pay some $5 trillion more in payroll taxes than they receive in benefits.

How do they keep saying that illegals are paying into social security? Am I just stupid here in thinking that if you do not have a SSN because you are illegal, then how can you pay any taxes - let alone into social security????? Do they have a special form or something that allows them to pay these taxes without fear of deportation? Or are these calculated from all the fraudulent SSN's used by many to pretend to be legal?:confused:

kirtida8
07-08-2007, 08:05 AM
Oh, yes I forgot - $5 trillion to be contributed to the US economy over the next 75 years in payroll taxes without receiving any benefits!. Well that damn well proves that we have the financial clout to hit them where it hurts - and its about time they took notice of this and us!!!! This would be far more important to me as a candidate wooing votes then getting a few illegals to become legal and actually vote - after all once legal they are then eligible to all the benefits.Maybe we ought to start making this point more often when contacting senators and media?

Munish
07-08-2007, 09:05 AM
As I understand it illegals can and generally do pay taxes when they are working for an employer. It's the employer who has to be satisfied the person has a legal right to work. As for SSN, they are like passports. If you want one there are means to get them.

The article is making skewed argument as regards getting no benefits. Illegals do not have to pay for healthcare (or health insurance) as they get it courtesy of the taxpayer.

All cost and benefit analysis that I have seen so far are not accurate and nobody is capable of producing an accurate analysis simply because we cannot accurately identify:


the number of illegals;
the taxes and other expenditures they pay, the contributions they make and other positive effects on the contributions such as consumer spending and production; or
the benefits they claim such as free healthcare, the transfer of money abroad, the consequences of criminal activity, the costs of deportation and and beefed up immigration enforcement which is borne by legal migrants and other negative effects on the economy.


However, the issues here are threefold.


The principle of law and that those who break the law should not be rewarded;
The humanitarian argument that illegals should not be treated with indignity and not be separated from families; and
The economic argument, which as stated above we cannot accurately ascertain. I would guess overall the net result is a benefit to the economy, however, either way this should not be an important argument in and of itself.

The issue for an individual is where do you place importance. For me the rule of law is most important.

The humanitarian argument is important to some but baseless to me because it creates a separate standard for illegal migrants and those who are separated from their families outside the USA while waiting for green card processing or other form of legal migration.

The economic argument can be important but you don't deal with the issue by legalising all illegals. You make sure only those that provide a net economic benefit are eligible to adjust to legal status at most. Furthermore, of the USA needs illegals for employment reasons or to protect certain industries them the best approach is to create specialist employment visas for specific purposes where such employment is needed - and not to legalise everyone.

I also would not have a problem with illegals that would otherwise have a right to immigration in the future to remain in the USA as a nonimmigrant, and provided they have applied for an immigrant visa and provide net benefit to the economy, while such application is pending, but only if those outside the USA have the same right.

Sharon
07-14-2007, 12:38 AM
Ok accept they may be paying tax and social securtiy,but are they paying these illegally?

Bayfield
07-14-2007, 05:50 AM
The IRS do not care about status, they give out ITIN to pay taxes.

On another board I saw somebody post that they had asked 12 of their friends who would have qualified for V Visa's, none would have gone for it, none wanted to pay taxes.

You do not have to think of the costs too hard - low wage earners, large families = net cost.

The article is so badly written I do not know where to start, just a few points:

Number of legal entrants is 3-5,000 a day, which adds up to a lot more that 500,000.

Quite what highly skilled job does a High School degree qualify you for? Where I am you do not need to speak English. Basically anybody can get one as the alternative is that they stay in school longer and that is a cost factor.

Grumpy
07-22-2007, 01:15 PM
Ok, I accept that some illegals maybe paying tax and social security and they have ways to obtain a driving license and could get car insurance. I wonder if the insurance company would pay out in the event of an accident if it came to light the driver was illegal. We all know that if insurance companies can find a get out clause they will