Study Finds Immigrants Support Employment

[Bobby]

AOL Jobs - Articles- Study: Immigrants Not Taking Jobs From Americans - AOL Find a Job (http://jobs.aol.com/article/_a/study-immigrants-not-taking-jobs-from/20060815182009990001)

I found this interesting because I have always known the USCIS's philosophy of "as long as there isn't an American to fill the vacancy".

It lets us see that this approach is yet another way of fending off immigrants whenever it suits. More hoops, more jumping, more frustrations!

It wouldn't be the same otherwise!

Bobby

[paulbweb]

It says the Pew Hispanic center is non partisan, which I doubt seeing as they are in favor of more Hispanic immigration to this country, even though Hispanics are 50% of all immigrants and only 13% of the population. No PC'rs complaining about lack of diversity in immigration here. They tend to view illegal immigrants and legal immigrants as the same, which is wrong. Legal Immigrants don't hurt jobs, many are educated and aren't burdensome to the taxpayers. Illegal immigrants do depress wages and hurt unskilled Americans.This country doesn't really need unskilled workers, it needs more skilled, educated workers. Hopefully they will rescind the 1965 immigration act and open the door to Europe again. Most Americans would do unskilled jobs if they paid livable wages like they used too, infact Americans did do those jobs at one time. I uses to work in construction and it used to be all Irish and American guys working as carpenters, electricians, plumbers, landscapers, etc. Now it is mostly Mexicans because they do it for a lot less. This means houses are built cheaper and not as well as they once were.

[chris]

I don't know as I subscribe to the view that americans will do the unskilled jobs bit. I read an article in the Orlando Sentinel some while ago which discussed the schizophrenic nature of the average american. It highlighted the situation through the example of an electric fan. The manufacturer in question had always manufactured in the US, but was finally having to come to terms with moving manufacture to China as the encosts of paying US workers didn't equate with the price Walmart would pay him to supply them. The part reason that Walmart pushed down the price was because of what the average joe will pay for things. It's a vicious circle. The american worker wants a good basic wage, healthcare and pension for producing US goods. But the same US worker isn't prepared the realistic price for goods made in the USA. The Fan manufacturer said that keep production in the USA, the price would be about $10 higher, which was a price the americans weren't prepared to pay.
I seem to recall the UK had exactly the same problem in Maggies day when the UK manufacturing industry basically priced itself out of existence.
On the immigration front, I don't think the US public has actually tumbled to the Spanish speaking invasion yet. Most of the peoples from this culture have a catholic religion, which subscribes to large families, by default they will number 6+ usually. I notice Tex/Mexicans here and they usually number 8-10 per family. That is a lot of mouths to feed and bodies to keep healthy. The majority have no healthcare, so use the ER as their GP facility. Their culture also fosters the attitude of education of my kids is the schools responsibility, not mine and they simply 'dump' the kids on the already creaking education system. As a consequence, the sausage machine pumps out low acheivers. The PR's are another kettle of fish altogether in that PR as a country cannot decide if it wants to be an indepent commonwealth of the US or the next state. At present it sits on the fence and the PR's enjoy both sides, with unrestricted access to the US with their US citizenship.
I think for most folks, the biggest frustration is how this particular culture defies history and resolutely refuses to integrate and assimilate the values of the USA. We are moving to a 2 culture USA. The hispanic population, or some of its vocal individuals frequently proclaim how 'badly done to' they are and how poorly served they are by local govt. Indeed, in Osceola County we ahve a law suit going on about the alleged dilution of the hispanic vote. The reality is that, despite the best efforts of Supervisor of Elections, the majority of hispanics do not register and those that do do not make a greta effort to use the vote they have. Yet against this their voice gets heard, people jump and things change.
I don't think we should put ourselves on a pedestal and say only the ones who use their brain not their brawn need be allowed in. Society needs input at all levels and immigration should mirror that. But I lok at the GC conditions for us Brits and then see someone from S. America doing a low level job and think how the hell did they get their GC? Unfair aint it?

[paulbweb]

Alot of those unskilled GC's come in thru the lottery, and many of them are low level. I believe one of the reasons for the greencard lottery was to give an opportunity for low level workers to come here. The UK, like Canada, China & Mexico isn't eligible because supposedly many UK citizens come in via other means.

If things were really bad for Hispanics coming here, they wouldn't be here. The reason many take advantage of this countrys good will and refuse to assimulate is because America lets them. Previous waves of immigrants had to assimulate or lose out. As far as most ethnic groups go, hispanics have had a pretty easy ride, compared to Native Americans, Blacks, even some Europeans. The reason people jump for hispanics is because the "squeaky wheel gets the grease". Brits can't really play the race card to get what they want, doing so would go against our sense of fair play. It sort of reminds me of the world cup, where English players generally frown at cheating, but the the Latin teams have no problem with it and get rewarded with a World Cup.

[Susie]

Hi

Very interesting, thanks Bobby

Just goes to show just how many immigrants there are in the USA

[chris]

PaulWeb,
They give the reason why the UK is not allowed in the lottery as we have a good number of GC's allocated to us and other countries don't. I would love to see how they are allocated. If you look at the GC criteria, it would appear that same criteria applies to all nations, ie the Priority 1, 2, 3, etc. Surely the UK can't be using all the GC's on University Professors and people of excellence of acheivement. Maybe the latin areas can't throw up anyone in the higher levels.
One of the main problems of dealing with the imbalance and assimilation issue is that the PC lot get involved and folks end up being afraid of saying what they really feel. Also with the US national sport being litigation, I guess organisations aren't too keen on sticking their heads above the parapet. Isn't it the same PC problem in the UK too?