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Susie
09-12-2007, 03:41 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/immigration/5124255.html



Sept. 11, 2007, 12:47PM
Illegal immigrants from India on the rise
Experts say many come to U.S. legally, overstay visas


By JAMES PINKERTON

The fastest-growing group of illegal immigrants in the United States doesn't speak Spanish. They typically aren't found at day labor sites or streaming across the Southwest border into the U.S.

Instead, they're here in America working in tech companies, small businesses, as engineers or other highly skilled jobs. And they're coming from India.

The profile of the illegal immigrant may need to take on a slightly more South Asian persona since a recent federal report revealed that India had the greatest percentage increase in unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. since 2000.

Illegal immigrants from India grew to 270,000 in 2006 from 120,000 in 2000, a 125 percent increase, according to a report late last month from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Undocumented Indians, however, remain a small segment of the total estimated population of 11.6 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. Mexico tops the list with 6.6 million — up from 4.7 million in 2000 — followed by El Salvador and Guatemala, according to the Homeland Security report.

Locally, this trend is especially relevant since Indians make up one of the fastest-growing immigrant groups in Harris County, with 35,971 counted in the 2000 Census. They also represent a highly visible and influential immigrant community. The Houston area has 6,629 businesses owned by Indian-Americans, according to the most recent Census Bureau data.

Experts say illegal Indian immigrants are coming here legally on visas but are overextending their stays and subsequently slipping under the radar screen of authorities.


'The system is broken'
Immigration lawyer Bruce Coane said Indians have replaced Mexicans as the largest group of clients at his Houston practice. He estimates that more than 1,000 Indians in the Houston area do not have legal status to remain here.

''The numbers are large because there are just so many coming to the United States, and almost all of them are coming legally," said Coane, referring to the undocumented population. ''And over time, they fall out of legal status."

The most recent government data showed that in fiscal year 2005, Indians received 194,611 temporary work visas to come to the U.S., the most of any nation. India eclipsed Mexico, which had 169,786 of its workers admitted, and the United Kingdom with 156,635.

Coane and other immigration attorneys stressed that most Indian immigrants come here legally to work, go to school, visit as tourists or conduct business.

''In most cases, they're trying to do everything the right way, but because the system is broken, they fall out of status," said Coane, referring to lengthy waits to become a permanent resident.

More than half of Indian immigrants who came to the U.S. in fiscal year 2005 — about 102,000 — arrived on the H-1B visa for the highly skilled. So, typically, they aren't going to be busted by immigration agents during raids at meat-processing plants such as those owned by Swift & Co., the site of high-profile investigations last year.

''We have not come across many illegal Indian immigrants in Houston," said Robert Rutt, special agent in charge of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in Houston. ''Most are Mexicans, South and Central Americans, and some Chinese."


Lax federal oversight cited
There is debate in the Indian community about why immigrants become illegal, and just how many reside in Houston.

''My knowledge tells me that most of the Indians we interact with are highly educated — doctors, engineers and business owners," said Jagdip Ahluwalia, director of the Indo-American Chamber of Commerce. ''I personally have not run into any undocumented Indians here, and I've lived here for many years."

Faisal Amin, board member of the South Asian Chamber of Commerce in Houston, said lax oversight of the federal guest workers program is one reason many Indians stay here when their visas expire.

''We see an increase simply because a lot of those workers are coming in on H1-B visas," Amin said. "And, we don't have a good way to track that these workers are, indeed, going back to their countries when they're finished."

One U.S. Department of Homeland Security official, who asked not be be identified, agreed there isn't a method to keep tabs on guest workers.

''Once they get in, there's no exit program in place yet — they're talking about it," the official said.

A dozen years ago, India native Ravinder Kour came to Houston with her husband on a tourist visa. They found opportunity and stayed after their visas expired, which turned them into illegal residents. Meanwhile, they were raising two children who were born here.

But now Kour, a 39-year-old housewife, and her husband are hoping to regain their legal status with the help of an immigration attorney.

''There are no jobs" in India, said Kour. ''That's why so many Indian people are coming here."


Bad advice, bad situation
After arriving in Houston the couple decided to try to remain legally. They were advised by an immigration lawyer to make a claim for political asylum, which was rejected, and the couple was ordered deported after not attending a hearing, said attorney Gordon Quan.
''They weren't trying to cheat anyone; they got bad advice," Quan said.

Kour is being assisted by her brother-in-law, Surinder Singh, 47, who also came to Houston on a tourist visa. He lived the life of an illegal immigrant until becoming a citizen in 2003.

''We can't fly, if you want to go somewhere, you have to go by car," Singh said. ''If you do something bad, and don't have papers, you will be in trouble."

The Houston housewife said she constantly worries about immigration problems.

"It's a big, big depression," Kour said.

Quan, her attorney, noted the federal government assigns a quota of immigrant visas to each country, and with so many Indians here on temporary work and other visas, the demand outstrips the supply.

''It's not first-come, first-serve," Quan said. ''A certain percentage is given to each country. Since there are so many Indians that are skilled, and being sponsored by employers, their backlog is longer than other countries."

james.pinkerton@chron.com

Kriz1
09-12-2007, 05:03 AM
Again not knowing the difference between going out of Status...and entering illegal ...

Munish
09-12-2007, 08:23 AM
Kour is being assisted by her brother-in-law, Surinder Singh, 47, who also came to Houston on a tourist visa. He lived the life of an illegal immigrant until becoming a citizen in 2003.

This suggests he became a citizen but before that he was illegal - so he never obtained permanent residency status first? Don't think the reported fully did the research here.

Again not knowing the difference between going out of Status...and entering illegal ...

I really don't buy that. Your visa is in your passport and if you overstay without obtaining the proper documents you should not something is not right. Before my F1 visa expired I was out of there fully aware of the limitations of a temporary visa.

I have little sympathy with people trying to use their story of how they spent years or decades in the USA illegally for sympathy when I have been waiting, in accordance with immigration law, since 1991 (16 years now) and still waiting patiently. I have even less sympathy when the excuse "there are no jobs in India" is used when that is absolute nonsense. If I was unemployed, I'd be thinking, let me try and find another one or do something else where opportunity permits - not, "oh okay then I think I'll go to America"!

SHEILA 13
09-12-2007, 11:32 AM
Well said Munish

kirtida8
09-12-2007, 11:54 AM
You've been a little quiet on the forum of late, Munish - but I agree with Sheila, well answered. I must admit to a little trepidation if stories about Indians continue to flood the media, as I fear a backlash similar to that against hispanics.

SHEILA 13
09-12-2007, 12:09 PM
Well said Kay I agree with you 100 %

DEE F
09-12-2007, 12:45 PM
You've been a little quiet on the forum of late, Munish - but I agree with Sheila, well answered. I must admit to a little trepidation if stories about Indians continue to flood the media, as I fear a backlash similar to that against hispanics.Hi Kay,dont worry about it,at least Indian people have a perfect command of the English language ,and will be able to give as good as they get;)


Dee xxx

kirtida8
09-12-2007, 01:16 PM
Hi Kay,dont worry about it,at least Indian people have a perfect command of the English language ,and will be able to give as good as they get;)


Dee xxx

LOL - well I don't think all Indians are that well spoken, but yes they do have a better command of the English language than say the Mexicans and can atleast make themselves understood - no offense to Mexicans intended. Maybe thats because English is considered one of the national languages in India, and so is taught in schools?
Still, there are far too many stories about how Indians are taking all the jobs (outsourcing?) and H1b visas, and now staying here illegally - so a backlash is in the offing IMHO.

lorraine
09-12-2007, 01:24 PM
I say let the indian people in and please open more restaurants, we miss them so much...........We have good indian friends in the Uk and I keep telling them to move over and open restaurant near us they would do fantastic....

Kriz1
09-12-2007, 03:49 PM
I really don't have a problem with people coming here for a new life...I just want them to have made some effort to do it the right way...if they go out of Status I can live with that...

OberonSH
09-12-2007, 07:54 PM
But surely if the couple in the story were ordered deported, they knew they were doing wrong by staying. It does make a bit of a mockery of people who do things by the book, and these people seem to suffer the most when it comes to clearing the backlog - the amnesties atc must take processing time away for legitimate claims that have been lodged for possibly years.

So the way to go is go over on visa waiver, quietly disappear and wait for the amnesty, all the while claiming ignorance to the correct procedure yet looking over your shoulder and worrying every time you see a copper. Am I getting warm?

And I love the way the blame is given to the Feds - basically 'we're only staying illegally becasue you're taking so long to make us legal'. Wonder if you could use the same argument for paying your taxes - 'you took too long to send the form, I'm not paying it'

Kriz1
09-12-2007, 08:27 PM
But a visa waiver is not a visa...my daughter nearly timed out...she would of been out of Status within a few months had our lawyer not been on his toes...
I still think there is a difference between someone climbing over the border at the dead of night....and someone here trying to do everything right and finding out the Gov is working too slow...

Munish
09-12-2007, 09:53 PM
For me illegal is illegal, whether that be by illegal entry or by becoming out of status. If there was a genuine desparate reason for it, I might have sympathy depending on the circumstances, but in the above case I do not.

Susie
09-12-2007, 10:18 PM
For me illegal is illegal, whether that be by illegal entry or by becoming out of status. If there was a genuine desparate reason for it, I might have sympathy depending on the circumstances, but in the above case I do not.

Yes Munish, thats exactly how I feel too an illegal is just that illegal no matter where they come from. That not to say I am not compassionate either ! I am , and do have sympathy for anyone who finds themselves out of status through scammers and any other reason beyond their control so long as they have played by the rules in the first place

Kriz1
09-13-2007, 01:45 AM
I've kind of softened over the years...I can't see things so black and white anymore...

Munish
09-13-2007, 07:40 AM
I have sympathy for victims of scammers, provided they have not been stupid in being scammed, and might do persons who are out of status for "any other reason beyond their control," but that would depend on what that is.

I don't have a problem with people choosing to be illegal - especially as at least 12 million others have choosen to do so. However, where they make the choice and they have to live with the consequences. I have no sympathy if and when it all falls down.