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Susie
09-28-2007, 04:12 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/5996.html

Immigration debate roils anew

By: Carrie Budoff Brown
Sep 25, 2007 05:59 AM EST
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As the Senate prepares to vote on an immigration measure this week, senators are being forced back into politically treacherous territory on the controversial question of amnesty. In many ways, the debate is a mini-version of the free-for-all that consumed the doomed comprehensive bill in June.

Legalization opponents and supporters are picking up where they left off earlier this year, flooding congressional offices and Internet blogs with talking points on the latest legislation.

Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) has been trying for years to stitch together a bipartisan coalition for a narrower measure that he calls the DREAM Act. It would give illegal immigrants who were brought to the country at 15 years old or younger — and have remained here for at least five years — a path to citizenship if they go to college or enter the military.

“The fundamental premise,” Durbin said on the floor last week, “is that we shouldn’t punish children for the mistakes their parents made. That isn’t the American way. The DREAM Act says to these students: America is going to give you a chance. It won’t be easy, but you can earn your way into legal status.”

Durbin is offering the measure as an amendment to the Department of Defense authorization bill, in part because it could ease strains on military recruiting.

An opponent of the most recent comprehensive bill, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), signed on as a co-sponsor last week, joining Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.), Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) and a dozen Democrats.

But with anti-immigration groups calling the amendment “amnesty on the installment plan,” passage is far from assured in a chamber that operates on a 60-vote threshold.

NumbersUSA, the group that helped derail the comprehensive bill that would have offered legal status to the existing 12 million illegal immigrants, posted on its website a tally of its “anti-amnesty champions.” So far, 21 senators have signaled to NumbersUSA that they will oppose the amendment. The group is looking for 20 more senators to block it.

“If you were to pass another amnesty, you would only encourage more illegal behavior because it is seen as a reward,” said Caroline Espinosa, a spokeswoman for NumbersUSA, which claims credit for more than 260,000 faxes sent by its supporters to Congress in the past week.

Proponents of the measure dispute the amnesty argument, saying it applies only to illegal immigrants who have been in the country for five years at the time of the bill’s enactment.

The Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan organization, estimates that 360,000 undocumented students would become immediately eligible for conditional legal status. An additional 65,000 could be added to the pool annually, the group found.

Like previous battles, advocates on both sides of the issue have been pressing Congress, blasting e-mails to supporters and asking them to contact senators. The office of Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.), one of the members being targeted by both sides, reported a spike in calls starting last Monday.

The Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform attempted to counter its opponents, pleading with members in an e-mail last Tuesday: “We need your calls beginning NOW, before senators get the idea (again) that they only hear from anti-immigrant constituents, and that they should play it safe and vote against the amendment.”

Susie
09-28-2007, 04:18 AM
Hi folkes

can we all e-mail

Lets all let him know we support the Dream act (as we have no problem with illegal children, getting a green card but not their parents as this would be rewarding folk who blanently break the law) but it must include E 2 children too !



Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) has been trying for years to stitch together a bipartisan coalition for a narrower measure that he calls the DREAM Act.

lxh11
09-28-2007, 01:21 PM
Susie, one of the biggest points of contention is that people benefiting under the act would get reduced tuition. This seriously offends Americans and legal immigrants.

DEE F
09-28-2007, 01:40 PM
Also why make them go in the military??Suppose its one way of reducing the numbers of illegals,get them killed off in Iraq or wherever it is they will be fighting,unbeleivable,whether we like it or not,all these kids that came here illegaly with their parents,deserve the chance of an education,in my opinion all kids do,and if they are willing to learn and be good students what s the big deal,but to send them in the army where the chance sof getting killed are high,that is wrong,once they have got their educations under their belt,let them be an asset to the country,after all they have been educated here and grown up here,it isnt their fault.Something should be done for ALL kids who have embarked on a new life in a new country,and for some of them it is probably the only life they know,I say give the kids legal status why not,the parents I am not sure about,but lets stop beating around the bush here,we all want whats best for our kids,and if the USA is gong to take the trouble to educate them,then let them become valuable tax paying members of society,that to me would make far more sense than sending them in the military,and the one other thing I cant get my head round is this,why do we still keep going on about when our kids reach 21!!!!!!!!!!In all honestly how many of us were still living at home depending on our parents when we were 21 years old!!!!Not many of us I bet,Aw well just my opinion for what it is worth.

Dee xx

kirtida8
09-28-2007, 02:20 PM
and the one other thing I cant get my head round is this,why do we still keep going on about when our kids reach 21!!!!!!!!!!In all honestly how many of us were still living at home depending on our parents when we were 21 years old!!!!Not many of us I bet,Aw well just my opinion for what it is worth.


Dee, the reason we keep going on about the kids turning 21 - is mainly due to the fact that they are classed as our dependents until then, and in the case of E2 kids - they could not go and live on their own even if they wanted too because they cannot support themselves! Aging out affects all kids - and not just E2.

DEE F
09-28-2007, 02:26 PM
Dee, the reason we keep going on about the kids turning 21 - is mainly due to the fact that they are classed as our dependents until then, and in the case of E2 kids - they could not go and live on their own even if they wanted too because they cannot support themselves! Aging out affects all kids - and not just E2.Hi Kay,I wasnt trying to be pedantic there I was just curious,agree that ALL kids no matter what visa they are on whether legal or illegal,should all be taken into consideration,it would be interesting to know,if its the same process for kids aging out over the pond wouldnt it.I still wouldnt want my son/daughter being made to go into the military though just so they could stay in the country,I think that is so wrong.

Dee xx

SHEILA 13
09-28-2007, 02:49 PM
If this happened,I would rather move Country than have my Daughter in the Forces.

DEE F
09-28-2007, 03:00 PM
If this happened,I would rather move Country than have my Daughter in the Forces.Hi Sheila,yes my sentiments exactly,so so wrong.

Dee xx

jay
09-28-2007, 04:04 PM
If this happened,I would rather move Country than have my Daughter in the Forces.


I think its a ******* liberty myself, you have to fight to live here and keep your kids here then they want your kids to fight for their country, I dont think so.they have got two hopes of my kids doing that, bob hope and no hope.
jayne.

DEE F
09-28-2007, 04:49 PM
I think its a ******* liberty myself, you have to fight to live here and keep your kids here then they want your kids to fight for their country, I dont think so.they have got two hopes of my kids doing that, bob hope and no hope.
jayne.100% agree with you there Jayne,I do realise also that at 21 years of age most people can make up their own minds to do what they feel best,but at least give them a choice ,to dangle a carrot of "you can stay here if you fight for us"is diabolical,as I am sure a lot of 21 year olds would agree on.How would we all feel on the E2 AND L1 visa ,if we were told that our kids can stay as long as they go and fight in Iraq first!!!!!!!!!!!!!I would think most of us would be appalled.

Dee xx

jay
09-28-2007, 05:01 PM
I dont care how old my kids are, they will do as their told and wont be fighting for no one,
jayne

DEE F
09-28-2007, 05:06 PM
I dont care how old my kids are, they will do as their told and wont be fighting for no one,
jayneHahahahahahahahah you go girl.

Dee x

Grumpy
09-29-2007, 05:28 AM
I think its a ******* liberty myself, you have to fight to live here and keep your kids here then they want your kids to fight for their country, I dont think so.they have got two hopes of my kids doing that, bob hope and no hope.
jayne.

valid point Jay, well said