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floridapete
11-10-2006, 10:59 AM
Some you will remember that I was asked to write an article for the Emigrate America newspaper on the ongoing crisis of waiting times and bureaucratic bumblings at the US Embassy in London with regards to visa processing - particularly for E2's.

That article has now appeared in this months issue and I have obtained the full text from the publishers to reproduce here for your interest.
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"E-2 waiting - the crisis continues".

With the current waiting times for E-2 visas seemingly getting longer by the
week, Peter Stanhope explains the devastating knock-on effects for British visa applicants, business brokers and business owners

"Let me first of all make it clear - I am not an expat Brit in Florida. Neither
am I an immigration attorney or consultant. I am simply someone who has been involved in this 'Florida thing' for 16 years now, since we first bought a holiday home in Orlando in 1989.

From that grew our Florida Brits Group of British owners of Florida holiday
homes and, over the years since, I have become involved in many aspects of British life in Florida - including the many who have dreamed of emigration - and the many others who have emigrated only to find that it isn't always the rose-tinted world over there that they expected.

For many would-be British emigrants to the United States, the E-2 (Treaty
Investor) Visa has become the most popular and, in fact, perhaps the only visa which will provide for them an opportunity to realise their own 'American Dream'. However, the dream can so easily turn into a nightmare - and the nightmare may start even before they have left the safety and security of their home country.

As anyone who has been paying attention to the coverage in Emigrate America will know, E-2 visas for British subjects can only be obtained by application to the US Embassy in London. As recently as two years ago the process of application and adjudicating used to take around three to five weeks. At that time successful E-2 visa applicants were being issued with visas which would have an initial term of entry to the United States of three to five years, enough time to get the business going and develop it.

However, things seem to have changed significantly in the past two years. We are left wondering whether the very long waiting times now being experienced by E-2 applicants is due simply to the increased number of British applicants seeking emigration through the E2 visa, or whether some other, more subtle factors have come into play ?

It all seems to have occurred during the tenure of one particular E-2 consular officer at the US Embassy in London. Suddenly applications were being processed more slowly, more requests for 'further information' being issued, and then even more information required and on some occasions, information being requested even though it had already been sent.

At the end of this adjudication process, if a visa was issued at all, it seemed to be for a two-year period - hardly time to get to the States and get the business in shape before having to think about applying for the first renewal.

When a new Consul Officer arrived to take over in the Summer of this year we heard that the 'new broom may be sweeping clean' in order to shorten the waiting times. But the wait times are just getting longer and longer. The current US Embassy website notice quotes a period of over 24 weeks (almost six months) which, I assume, is for a straightforward E-2 visa application, properly presented with no requests for further information being necessary. But applicants who have filed visa applications recently have been quoted 26 or more weeks on their acknowledgements - and others, already in the pipeline, have been experiencing much longer waiting times than that.

The situation with E-2 visa approvals from the US Embassy in London is now critical. The word is now out in the USA that sellers, brokers and attorneys should not consider the sale of US businesses to British buyers who may have to wait from 26 weeks to over a year for visa approvals.

So what is happening at Grosvenor Square? Are they intentionally trying to
create a log-jam of approvals and renewals to dissuade/prevent would-be British emigrants from realising their dreams of relocation to the USA for some obscure reason?

The following message from a business broker contact in Florida reveals much about the current situation: "The E-2 visa matter is now worse than ever. We have a number of clients willing to spend upwards of US$500,000 on a qualifying business, unfortunately the word is now out that the London Embassy is taking between six months and a year to issue E-2 visas and no legitimate businesses in the for sale listings are prepared to sell to E-2 visa applicants that we can find."

Elsewhere, a contributor to an expats forum that I contribute to recently
stated: "It is a total mess, isn't it? Effectively it [the ridiculous delays in
visa issue] has killed the business sales market here stone dead. Not just for brokers and attorneys, but for buyers and sellers who are just not going to be able to buy or sell their businesses if they need to move on or go home and will just have to close them down or sell them cut price to anyone (i.e. US citizen) who doesn't need a visa. I am guessing this will severely depress the market here. Add this to the number of people being turned down for visa renewals and draw your own conclusions."

To rub salt in the wounds, it appears that Belgian applicants applying through the US Embassy in Brussels, can get an E-2 approved in a matter of days rather than months! One would-be Belgian emigrant named Inge who applied in Brussels recently told of her fairly painless experience on the expats forum. "We finally applied for our E-2 visa on 25th July at the Brussels Embassy. One week later we are approved! We are really happy and very excited! We are opening our business on 1st October".

Of course, it's impossible for British nationals to file their visa applications
or renewals anywhere else but London - such is the stranglehold that the US immigration rules now have on an understaffed, near-broken system. So Brits could not go to Brussels to apply even if they wanted to !

What is happening with the US immigration service that there can be such a
contrast between two equally-small member countries of the European community? It seems like the doors to the USA are closed to Brits but open to Belgians?**I recently saw a mention on the US Embassy in Germany website that visa applications for the French were now being directed to other European countries, including Germany, due to the intense pressure that the Paris Embassy was now under. I wrote to the Consul General in London asking about this and asking if this would give us British the right to file our visa applications at other European US. Consular offices - or were the French a 'special case' in the eyes of the United States and, if so, why? So far I have not had the courtesy of a reply to my question!*

Meanwhile, there must be hundreds of families who are awaiting the outcome of their E-2 visa applications - they may have sold up everything they own to raise the funds necessary to make that 'qualifying substantial, not marginal, investment in a US business' and their lives are currently on hold. The business seller in the USA may be patiently awaiting his buyer's visas being issued so the sale of the business can close. Meanwhile, everyone is getting very frustrated with this slow moving bureaucracy.

So what happened about two years ago which may have cause this change of time scale and policy in adjudicating E-2 visas and their renewals?

Well, prior to 16th July 2004, holders of existing E-2 visas, already
established in their businesses in the US would apply to US offices for their
renewal for a further period. So long as the business was still trading,
profitable and qualifying, the renewal issues were almost automatic, fast and pain free.

However, as of that date, the Department of State issued a new procedure which would oblige all foreign holders of certain visa categories, which included all of the non-immigrant visas, to have to return to their own country of origin to file and renew their visas. This would entail a personal interview at which all visa holders and dependants would need to be present.

So, with almost immediate effect, all the US Embassies around the world suddenly had all of this renewal bureaucracy dumped upon them as well as the increasing burden of visa applications.

This change of procedure was made by the US authorities without any
consideration of the delays, inconvenience, travel, expense, disturbance to
family (children out of schools) and interruption to their small businesses that this would entail for the visa holders. It almost seems like all of these people who invested heavily in the United States, who create employment for US citizens, contribute to the US economy, pay their taxes but do not get to vote, are being abused by the US system simply because they are 'foreigners'!

Some people who contributed to the 'open letters' pages in a recent edition of this publication stated that they have now been waiting for over a year for their visa renewal to come through. Meanwhile, they have their business to run on a daily basis whilst worrying every morning as they awake that they could possibly be refused visa renewals in London and not be able to re-enter the USA again to get back to their home and business.

What has happened to bring this crisis about, and when will it be sorted out by Washington?"

So let's see what they say to that - if anything ?

floridapete
11-10-2006, 11:00 AM
P.S.

I also asked a friend of mine, a very active E2 Visa specialist in London, if matters had improved at all in the two months since I wrote the above article.

She replied: "There is a slight quickening of pace. The waiting period had gone down from 33 to about 29 weeks to interview. No more requests for written info - you take it to the interview. Interviewing quite erratic. Strong cases can get hauled over the coals. Weak cases can get all smiles and thumbs up. Or vice versa. Fortunately most of my clients are still getting visas.

I heard about the meeting (the recent AILA meeting in New England USA). Supposedly 8 weeks waiting by Xmas! I think the interview wait time is after that - can be many weeks as they say they do not have enough interviews available. So it is a misleading reassurance statement (by the US Embassy in London).

Actually I don't believe there is any way that it will be down to 8 weeks given the level of scrutiny they still go in for.

Maybe there will be so few applications that it WILL be possible!"

charliesmum
11-10-2006, 12:40 PM
Very good article Pete - as you say thopugh whether it will do any good remains to be seen.

Surely something needs to happen soon.

Zoe

Grumpy
11-10-2006, 01:33 PM
yes agree, very good

what i cannot understand is why renewals have to be carried out in london and why this change was enforced

it makes sense to do this for first time applicants but makes no sense at all for renewals,

bit like jack in the box !

well not not really cos at least jack can see and think out of his box

DebbieM
11-10-2006, 02:59 PM
Hi Pete

Whilst we have not applied for our renewal (due December 06) took the I-94extension route instead, I have written to Mel Martinez in an attempt to be proactive in trying to bring this matter to the attention of those who matter and in rediness for when that dreaded day arrives.

I have received a reply back - letter attached. As I don't have specific information as we are not in the application process, could I use your article to highlight the issues that we all have? I think it does a great job of addressing the problems of new and renewal applications and hopefully will give him some insight into what we are all facing.

As he has bothered to write back the least I can do is put him completely in the picture don't you think:rolleyes:

Debbie

Sharon
11-10-2006, 04:40 PM
Hi Pete

Whilst we have not applied for our renewal (due December 06) took the I-94extension route instead, I have written to Mel Martinez in an attempt to be proactive in trying to bring this matter to the attention of those who matter and in rediness for when that dreaded day arrives.

I have received a reply back - letter attached. As I don't have specific information as we are not in the application process, could I use your article to highlight the issues that we all have? I think it does a great job of addressing the problems of new and renewal applications and hopefully will give him some insight into what we are all facing.

As he has bothered to write back the least I can do is put him completely in the picture don't you think:rolleyes:

Debbie

Hi Debbie

Yes, please do give him the whole picture, maybe pm Susie or committee as they may like to write too!

About time these Senators did something for legals

mark
11-10-2006, 07:30 PM
Hello Peter, good posting

Bet the answer will be

Crisis, What crisis,

ChrisG
11-10-2006, 08:33 PM
Yeah, I saw not long since where Mel had responded to someone (not sure if on this forum or the other) and he had contacted USCIS who said there was no problem. However I have a case outstanding with Christine (Mel's case worker - in fact due to update her this week) and she knows there are delays, she told me how it all started and also intimated at MO being the problem, as she asked me initially if I had a complaint about her.
Unfortunately the response from them is they can do nothing to expedite a case unless it is life or death. (I did say "well this is going to be the death of me - does that count" - wasn't being facetious as Christine is really nice and easy to talk to).
SO I suggest you do contact Christine as the letter says.
Chris

anniefromessex
11-11-2006, 01:19 AM
A very well written article Pete, well done!

I have some thoughts on this whole issue, probably the same thoughts as most people, but the way I see it even though we do not have a "right" to be here, if we are willing to spend sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars on a business here, work hard, pay our taxes and in a lot of cases have our children educated here (which obviously costs them money), why do they still insist on only giving you a temporary Visa because that is all it is in the scheme of things; it never gives you any rights whatsoever and. on a whim, they could revoke it. Who wants to live under these conditions?!!!

Surely, it is wrong that when you want to retire you would then be expected to go back "home". It could be that your children wouldn't even remember what England is like, let alone know anybody back there. I think America are the winners hands down in this scenario and feel it is totally unfair. You are never entitled to anything from this country and their attitude is take, take and take again.

I know when you enter on an E-2 Visa you should be aware of all this, but I think everybody in their heart of hearts hopes that something will happen to change this. Perhaps if enough Brits lobby then perhaps it might change one day but for some it might be too late.

I know from my neighbors who have a son in Australia that if she pays, I think, Australian $35,000 each for her and her husband, that she will be entitled to live out there and even get health care. Nobody gets a bean from this country, it's all pay out, pay out and pay out yet again!

Sorry to get on my soap box and, yes, I still want to live here, although the E-2 procedures didn't apply in our case and we are now LPR's, my son has gone through the same c..p as everyone else on this site and my heart goes out to each and every one of them! That is why we have GOT TO GET OUR VOICES HEARD, the more lobbying we do the better and the more you can write about the plight of Brits who are wanting to come out here, and those already here, the better.

I'm off my box now, you can all relax!

floridapete
11-11-2006, 10:53 AM
Hi Pete

Whilst we have not applied for our renewal (due December 06) took the I-94extension route instead, I have written to Mel Martinez in an attempt to be proactive in trying to bring this matter to the attention of those who matter and in rediness for when that dreaded day arrives.

I have received a reply back - letter attached. As I don't have specific information as we are not in the application process, could I use your article to highlight the issues that we all have? I think it does a great job of addressing the problems of new and renewal applications and hopefully will give him some insight into what we are all facing.

As he has bothered to write back the least I can do is put him completely in the picture don't you think:rolleyes:

Debbie

Yes - no problem with me !

If he needs specific chapter and verse on the act which changed renewals from a US based procedure to a procedure requiring all foreign nationals to return to their 'country of origin' for visa renewals, then I will have to get back to you because that information is not in my laptop with me while I am holiday. I will be back at my office early next week.

floridapete
11-11-2006, 11:01 AM
I received the following e-mail from a E.A. reader this morning. You may want to help me reply to it ?

"Dear Peter Stanhope,

We were interested to read your article in Emigrate America, and have been following the E2 saga with interest. However, there is an innacuracy, you say: "of course, it is impossible for British nationals to file their visa applications anywhere else but London...." This is not correct, if you are resident in another country you file your application in your country of residence, not your country of nationality. We have just obtained our visas through the American Embassy in Paris, as we are resident in France.

I was also surprised to read "...for buyers and sellers who are just not going to be able to sell their businesses if they need to go home.........or sell them cutprice to anyone (i.e. US citizen)." This implies that the only people who buy businesses (at the market rate) in the whole of America are other Brits.! I find this hard to believe, looking at the web-sites which list literally hundreds of businesses for sale through the US.

I also find it strange that in all these articles on the E2 problem, nobody seems to go down the route we were recommended (and have done) in obtaining a B1/2 visa first (potential treaty investor) which means that you are not limited to the 3-month visa waiver limit of stay in the US whilst looking for a business and waiting for the E2.

Regards,
Sally D."

DebbieM
11-11-2006, 11:39 AM
Thanks Pete - appreciate it, not sure if it will make a difference but if you don't try .......

As for the response to the above - the first paragraph doesn't quite make sense to me, party because it doesn't say where she or perhaps her partner are from which will make all the difference.

And as for the B1/2 being a "potential treaty investor"??????

Debbie

Sharon
11-11-2006, 01:17 PM
No one seems to know whats what anymore, I am well confused now ahhhhh

Is there anywhere we can read up on 1st time e applications and renewals.? It seems lots of people are getting a B visa, coming to usa then buying a business. I would just like to get a response in writing as to if we can renew our E visa's and stay in the usa. I thought we had to renew E visa's in London, whilst in the states and only go back for interview. So can we renew while in the usa and send documents to Texas?

DebbieM
11-11-2006, 02:20 PM
Wouldn't that be just great if we could. The stress of all of this is really starting to get me down. One of my kids is still trying to bring her grades up after missing only 3 days of school while we renewed I-94's, the school won't offer any concessions. We also came back to a shed load of work and took nearly 3 weeks to catch up.

I am absolutely dreading having to go back for two weeks. I know there are people that run the business from the other side of the pond but we are very 'hands on' and then there's the cost........

The B route is a bit iffy in my opinion as I know of a guy who did exactly this and changed status to E-2. However, when he got to the Embassy in December last year for his interview he was refused and as far as I am aware is still there now. The business he brought was a 15 year old property management business is good shape and even then he had issues. I don't think they take kindly to queue jumpers. May seem like a good idea at the time but I think it might come back and bite people.

I'll work on my reply to Mel and keep you all posted.

Emmalee25
11-11-2006, 03:08 PM
"I also find it strange that in all these articles on the E2 problem, nobody seems to go down the route we were recommended (and have done) in obtaining a B1/2 visa first (potential treaty investor) which means that you are not limited to the 3-month visa waiver limit of stay in the US whilst looking for a business and waiting for the E2."



To the above, my VA said "NO" said they see it as dodgy, highlights the 'no ties to UK" thing and makes it look like you want to leave and stay as quickly as possible. Ive asked him 100's of times why he didnt want us to do B1/2 and each time he has the same answer and I love My VA, so actually trust his opinion, we shall see if i get the blooming E2 now tho hey?
Emn x

Susie
11-11-2006, 03:26 PM
Thanks for sharing Peter and doing all you can to raise awareness the other side of the pond

Have you informed Kelly Griffiths ?, as I am sure she would publish

Inge
11-11-2006, 03:54 PM
Our VA suggested the B1/2 route and then changing to E-2 status whilst in the U.S. The Embassy saw straight through this plan and refused us the B1/2. I wouldn't recommend going down that route as you're likely to waste your time.

Inge

InnVic
11-11-2006, 05:11 PM
I thought we had to renew E visa's in London, whilst in the states and only go back for interview. So can we renew while in the usa and send documents to Texas?

You can renew "status" in the US (gives you an I-94 for extention of stay)- but that doesn't give you the 'stamp" in the passport which means enables you to return to the US if you plan to leave the country (i.e travel home to visit family) So if you have no problem with being landlocked, or need to extend your legal status whilst they drag their feet with visa renewal in London you are able to do so in the US.

For information we just have been given two year 1-94's at Atlanta airport (returning from vacation in Mexico) our visa and last 1-94 expire in march 2007 - so the two year extention at the airport a) saves us a whole wad of cash by not having to apply to vermont and b) gives us breathing space to get our renewal approved...thank you nice US immigration man in Atlanta!

anniefromessex
11-18-2006, 12:29 AM
My son was advised to go down the B1/B2 route by what we believe are respected Immigration Attorneys and then do a change of status. They were also advised to do this in Ireland rather than in London. An Immigration Consultant we then saw (out of the blue really) recommended going to the Bahamas - he reckoned he sent a lot of people there and was a piece of cake - yeah, right!!!

To cut a long story short, shouldn't Attorney's know the problems encountered by doing the B1/B2 Visa route, inasmuch that you are landlocked. Our/my sons Attorney didn't seem to be aware of this problem - surely if she had known it would be her duty to inform us.

InnVic
11-18-2006, 12:47 AM
My son was advised to go down the B1/B2 route by what we believe are respected Immigration Attorneys and then do a change of status. They were also advised to do this in Ireland rather than in London. An Immigration Consultant we then saw (out of the blue really) recommended going to the Bahamas - he reckoned he sent a lot of people there and was a piece of cake - yeah, right!!!

To cut a long story short, shouldn't Attorney's know the problems encountered by doing the B1/B2 Visa route, inasmuch that you are landlocked. Our/my sons Attorney didn't seem to be aware of this problem - surely if she had known it would be her duty to inform us.


All of the above comments are attempts at 'corner cutting". The attorney still get paid and blames the problem on the Embassy etc.- meanwhile your back at square one, actually probably further back as your application gets to join the end of the "proper" queue .

chris
11-18-2006, 03:34 PM
It's been mentioned a couple of times in this thread, but I do believe that with a will the State Dept could reintroduce the system of renewing Visas by mail that they had operating up to 2004. Up until then you renewed, say your E2 visa, by mail to Nebraska, not disimilar to extending your status with USCIS. In 2004 they closed down that service and made us all go back to our countries or use a 3rd party country because they said, it was because of increased interviewing requirements and the need to do biometrics (eye scan, fingerprints, inside leg measurements, etc). Of course we all know what chaos, expense and heartache that little change has caused. Those reasons , IMHO, are no longer valid for continuing renewals they way they do. It is a known fact that the Embassy interview itself takes on average about 5 - 10 minutes tops and more time is wasted on security screening, getting the deli ticket and drinking overpriced tea. Every airport in the US now has all the biometric equipment it needs and so have all the USCIS offices. Indeed in 2008 we are now to get in Orlando a 'One-Stop' Regional USCIS center, where it would appear we can get everything bar the week's groceries. With those sorts of facilities in place here, there is no valid argument for continuing to send non-us citizens to every corner of the globe to renew paperwork, other than it gets you physically off the property in US parlance. I suppose if the airlines are US carriers there is a very good business reason for continuing it, but since when did US businesss interests ever get in the way of US policy?!

Bobby
11-18-2006, 03:51 PM
Totally agree with everything you've said above, and of course it's about time someone with an ounce of common sense and a bit of clout nearer the top reviews this crazy scenario that causes more upset than good.

I don't think revenue from a flight here or there affects anything here, but you never know. This IS capitalism city!

Bobby

David R. Lenox
11-28-2006, 10:21 PM
Excellent article Peter and thanks for your efforts to publicize these continuing problems. It is upsetting to see our close allies having these problems with their E visas when other nationalities seem to be allowed in with a wink and a nod. There are some very fine people who are having some ridiculous problems with renewals that really should be a "cakewalk" at this point in time.

A few honest points are in order: first, please do not waste your time trying to lobby US politicians. They will be polite and may even write back to you but ultimately you detract from time they can spend on voting constituents problems or on their never-ending campaign fundraising. They barely respond to the concerns of US voters. A wiser course of action is to form a political action committee to contribute funds to their campaigns. THEN they will listen to you.

Second, if you are thinking about the E route, I would suggest waiting until the end of the Bush Administration (2008). It's not too distant in the future and there are hopeful signs that a democratic administration will loosen all of the red tape and the logistical roadblocks that seem to have sprung up in the last year. It could save a lot of heartache and headache if the next administration takes a more liberal approach these visa issues.

Third, every single British friend on E series visa has had some kind of horrific problem with their children approaching the age of majority. It really is at the point that if you have small children, you are setting yourself up for all kinds of heartache coming over on an E visa unless you want a few years in the Florida sun, with exposing your kids to a foreign country and with the intention of returning to the UK with no regrets. L series, H1B, anything is better than E if you have kids, under the current climate.

Susie
11-28-2006, 10:41 PM
Hello David and :welcome:

Very good first posting

Thanks for joining and sharing, are you an attorney of some sorts or just very clued up?

anniefromessex
11-28-2006, 11:29 PM
Hi David,

You are absolutely right; I have gone down the road of lobbying Senators, Congressmen, even ole George himself (who I might add never even had the decency to reply, although I gave the option of an aide replying). The Senator and Congressman did reply but to be honest they never really answered specifics - so waste of time really, although I will not give up - somebody has got to listen (you would think)!!!

As long as I have breath in my body (not too much longer now what with the fags and booze that this country has led me to), I will not give up - we have a lot to give to this country, as does my son who I am fighting for, but if I have to return to the U.K. then I will (although they will never get a dime out of me to give to their asylum seekers who hate the country anyway and are only there for what they can get), but I will use the country as they do, and get myself a place in Europe to escape to. At least I wont have to pay $187 for a prescription which if my symptoms persist I could very well have to for the rest of my days!!! Hey ho, happy days!!

Annie

DEE F
11-29-2006, 01:50 AM
Annie you are so funny, you so brighten up my stressful days, as for the comments about lobbying senators congressman etc etc , been there done that wore the t shirt, my husband as written to congress senators and numerous other and has always had positive responses,so my advise to everyone out there never give up some one will listen eventually,especially if enough people shout , on a lighter note I have just started getting my prescriptions at wal mart for $4 AS A DIABETIC ON TABLETS THIS IS BRILLIANT NEWS FOR ME, still not prescribing fags and booze tho, never mind you cant have everything haha

floridapete
11-29-2006, 08:28 AM
Hello David and :welcome:

Very good first posting

Thanks for joining and sharing, are you an attorney of some sorts or just very clued up?

Thanks to David Lenox for his few kind words about my article.

I can tell you (because I know David) that he is an Attorney, but not an Immigration Attorney. David Lenox specialises in real estate law but, through his practise (and also his wifes occupation) comes to know quite a few expat Brits in Central Florida, many of whom have come to have problems as he describes.

This morning I have received the following from an immigration attorney in the Naples area:

"Hello Peter, We met some time ago in Naples, Florida.

A client of mine sent me your article from Emigrate America. I, too, have a British client waiting for an answer since April. He is an airline charter business owner, who has invested quite a bit and is chomping at the bit to get started.

With any UK person right now, it’s “anything but an E” – so we look for other options, which are rare.

Gov. Bush goes on trade missions, succeeds in getting UK businesspeople to come in, and then the State Department (i.e. the Embassy in London) fouls it all up.

I am sending him (Gov. Bush) your letter with a note.

Regards, Norma."

And so the struggle for understanding goes on..........! :)

Susie
11-29-2006, 01:05 PM
Hi David and Peter


I thought David was an attorney of some sorts, and the name seemed familiar. The post was very good and it showed



hehe

Will be sending you a pm David

Susie
11-29-2006, 01:12 PM
[QUOTE=David R. Lenox]
A few honest points are in order: first, please do not waste your time trying to lobby US politicians. They will be polite and may even write back to you but ultimately you detract from time they can spend on voting constituents problems or on their never-ending campaign fundraising. They barely respond to the concerns of US voters. A wiser course of action is to form a political action committee to contribute funds to their campaigns. THEN they will listen to you.



Hi David,

I agree but hopefully, someone somewhere may just take an interest and have to strive to raise as much awareness as we can. We are working towards getting a lobbyist in the future but so costly

David R. Lenox
11-29-2006, 02:08 PM
Hi Sue, a couple of years ago, I contacted the office of one of our state legislators on the then absurd changes to the state driving license laws. You may recall that some years back, it was fairly easy for a UK resident to maintain a Florida driver's license without much in the way of hassles for renewing them. The reaction, boiled down, could be summed up a "why are you helping them?" But don't feel badly or that UK residents are singled out as efforts I undertook to encourage the state to approve and provide incentives for ethanol fuel at local gas stations also encountered the same ridiculous run-around from state officials.

A British acquaintance relayed the following story to me: a UK visa holder owned a restaurant in Texas and had been over here for many years. He too encountered the same kind of headache and nonsense on his renewal that so many of you are experiencing. However, his restaurant happened to be located near the local courthouse and had, over time, become quite popular with local judges, officials and law enforcement. When the locals discovered that their beloved restaurant owner may not get his visa renewed, there was a flood of support for him. Problems disappeared.

Well, not everyone is lucky enough to own a restaurant that local judges love. But the lesson here is really one of "leverage". You have no leverage. You have to create leverage. A "lobbyist" won't give you leverage - there are a million of them wandering the halls of Congress. The "lobbyist" you really need is one or two congressmen that you target for donations and support. Identify them (sounds like Dave Weldon would be a good start), appoint a spokesman, call his office about how to set up a political action committee to help his reelection efforts and pass the hat amongst you for donations. The cost of the donation pales in comparison to losing your E2 investment etc.

The only currency that works in America is "money". Oh occassionally there are popular political causes like boat people floating over from Cuba or whatever African orphan Madonna condescends to adopt but, other than that, don't expect any compassion in the process. Let's face it, you've decided to move to a country that has 50 million of its citizens with either no or wholly inadequate health insurance and really no one in Washington is too concerned about it. If they won't look after our interests, do you really expect them to care about you?

Kriz1
11-29-2006, 02:15 PM
The owner of said restaurant is I think on another forum...not sure if he is on here...I last heard he is going back to the UK...

David R. Lenox
11-29-2006, 02:18 PM
Why is he going back to the UK?

mark
11-29-2006, 02:20 PM
David.

What about joining our committee? seems you have some good ideas and may have some contacts

Kriz1
11-29-2006, 02:23 PM
Why is he going back to the UK?

I'll PM you a link to the forum and his posts....

David R. Lenox
11-29-2006, 02:52 PM
Thanks Kriz, seems they shortened his renewal period and he decided that he could just as easily run the business from England without the myriad hassles. Mark, I'm always happy to help my UK friends but I'm not a big "committee person". What you need is cash and a conduit through a couple of influential federal officials. The three "most eloquent" members of your group should come up with an agenda for 1) aiding Congressman Weldon in his election efforts 2) a short list of needed changes to the E2 application/renewal process and set a meeting up with Weldon's Florida office staffer to see how these mutually beneficial goals can be met. If there were several hundred UK visa holders in central Florida who could be counted on to contribute $500 a piece to Weldon's re-election campaign, trust me that the staffer will be sitting on the edge of his/her chair.

DEE F
11-29-2006, 03:23 PM
Hi David, a very good post ,agree with all you are saying, in regard to David Weldon I have got to say that he has been very very helpful to us when we have approached him with problems, I am sure that if enough people contacted him all singing out of the same song book as they say, I think he would definatley listen.:)

David R. Lenox
11-29-2006, 05:01 PM
Yes, Dee, sure sounds as though Dave Weldon is the likely starting point for trying to leverage the system. I would certainly be willing to help the group/committee by attending any meetings with Weldon's office as an "American representative". If Weldon's office understood what we are trying to do, I'm sure they could point the group in the right direction for forming a political action committee (would greatly simplify the legal aspects of forming the organization). Hopefully there is an address/contact list compiled somewhere of local UK residents whose financial support could be solicited.

By the way, I don't want anyone to think I'm an expert on immigration law. As Peter Stanhope kindly pointed out above, I'm a real estate lawyer and each year help dozens of UK, Irish and other overseas investors in buying or selling Florida property and assist as a closing agent. My wife and I have been blessed with a great group of British and Irish friends whose friendships we will cherish the rest of our lives. There may only be lip service on the government level about "special relationships" but on the personal level I can certainly vouch for the depth of the friendship.