"Just a thought" [Archive]

Susie

12-12-2006, 07:57 PM

:p You are all telented experienced business people, with ample amount of compassion and concerns,specially family oriented...wonder why dont you work out a plan around the system to avoid your aging out children not be the scapegoat of formalities and do's and dont"s?:(
There are so many ways to work things out if you do know each other and live in same area. ""THINK SMART"":cool: U will find a way its so simple and doable.:D

Hi Vip2002

Sorry to say I only agree with 50% of what you say.

I for one have not found a simple and doable way although this sometimes can be achieved

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh immigration

v2002

12-12-2006, 10:40 PM

:p You can take horse to the water but cant make him drink it :
But the point is if the horse IS thirsty and you cannot take him to the pool of water what else can you DO ?
** You can bring a pail of water for him to drink, The important thing is to do the right thing but HOW YOU DO IT IS UPTO YOU ... and to find that out
YOU MUST TRY :notworthy:
I am an amusing person aint I ? he he he:p Just remember........I am
Always there to help!! Provided you need one :cool:

anniefromessex

12-12-2006, 11:53 PM

Hi VIP2002,

As yet I have not welcomed you to the site due to computer problems, but welcome!!

So far your posts have been excellent and it is good to have somebody on board with savvy, that is not to say that most people on here do not have savvy (before I get loads of pm's to clog up my box, ha ha)!!

To be honest our case has been pretty easy, even though we dealt with Doug Hall, OMG I hear people say but he did do the business for us although the problems we now have are actually to do with him (there I am going round the houses again). I will be perfectly frank with you and say that the posts above have totally blown my brain. I am 50 odd years of age and thought my thinking days were over, so please please elaborate what you are trying to say above, if you can't I will pm you although, yippee, I am going back to England to be with my grandchildren for Christmas but will try to keep updated back there - I will get withdrawal symptoms being away from the site for 3 weeks in case I miss anything juicy!!!

Take care, have a great Christmas and New Year and hope to hear from you soon - you can always pm me if you want!

Annie

v2002

12-12-2006, 11:57 PM

:p First THANK YOU so much for your warm WC and kind words .
I will gladly look forward to you Pm :p "ANY THING TO HELP " regards.
Hi VIP2002,

As yet I have not welcomed you to the site due to computer problems, but welcome!!

So far your posts have been excellent and it is good to have somebody on board with savvy, that is not to say that most people on here do not have savvy (before I get loads of pm's to clog up my box, ha ha)!!

To be honest our case has been pretty easy, even though we dealt with Doug Hall, OMG I hear people say but he did do the business for us although the problems we now have are actually to do with him (there I am going round the houses again). I will be perfectly frank with you and say that the posts above have totally blown my brain. I am 50 odd years of age and thought my thinking days were over, so please please elaborate what you are trying to say above, if you can't I will pm you although, yippee, I am going back to England to be with my grandchildren for Christmas but will try to keep updated back there - I will get withdrawal symptoms being away from the site for 3 weeks in case I miss anything juicy!!!

Take care, have a great Christmas and New Year and hope to hear from you soon - you can always pm me if you want!

Annie
:p

v2002

12-13-2006, 12:00 AM

Enjoy your Christmas with your grand kids .
We will keep you in loop.

Emmalee25

12-13-2006, 02:14 AM

VIP 2002...I think i know what you are getting at ;) ;)
but dont think you have to speak in tongues about it really!!! altho, maybe you do....is it wrong to do that amongst friends????????? or seen that way by London?

Em x

v2002

12-13-2006, 02:45 AM

Emmalee25 NOW I AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: CONFUSED TOOOOOOOOOOO

DebbieM

12-13-2006, 11:03 AM

I have no idea what this is all about, neither do I have the time or the inclination to work out riddles.

Please, if you do know a way or can suggest something we can do collectively to 'make the horse drink the water' let us know. Or provide a dictionary for VIP 2002 speak.

Debs

Bobby

12-13-2006, 11:41 AM

Emmalee25

12-13-2006, 02:30 PM

I thought i knew what VIP 2002 was on about tbh, but now im confused!!!!

lets all speak english now and stop the riddles!

Vip2002, want to try again in laymens terms?
Em x

David R. Lenox

12-13-2006, 03:17 PM

It sounds as though VIP has come up with a plan to swap kids. Older for younger. The idea has a certain appeal and not just for Brits on e2s.

mark

12-13-2006, 04:03 PM

Ok

How can we all help each other so children do not age out in a legal simple way? or have no status at 21 years old?
Down the road maybe have an expats convention to discuss, what do you think?

I think there must be a way but maybe should not be openly discussed. I think that is what vip2002 is saying

v2002

12-13-2006, 04:52 PM

My horse is not thirsty. He has his own water supply, and a pond if gets really desperate.
However my neighbors horse can't get across our fence, what should I do to help him, VIP2002??
** you made it So simple Bobby ...:p If you are so concerned for that poor horse YOU WILL LET DOWN a part of your FENCE for him to have a SIP :angel:
....and of course, welcome to the forum!
* :angel: Thank you Dear.

v2002

12-13-2006, 04:54 PM

Welcome v2002.
In other words...not riddles, you have a plan to help the aging out ...Right !!
You obviously dont want to put it on the open forum...............so you want us to PM you...is that correct ??...Thinking "smart" also means "careful".
** You Justified Your name TOPCAT:angel: " You hit the nail Right on the head ".... Oooops another riddle ... hehehehe
Got you ;)

v2002

12-13-2006, 04:59 PM

It sounds as though VIP has come up with a plan to swap kids. Older for younger. The idea has a certain appeal and not just for Brits on e2s.:angel: Oh!!! man I knew you guys WERE very smart and when you are so close figuring it out why dont I throw a hint here ? How about swapping just your older kids ? about to age out or have aged out ?????Figure it out or reach SUE ......For details :p

v2002

12-13-2006, 05:10 PM

Yes Mark despite all the riddles and fun we are talking of a very serious issue " our kids" for whom we all leave our home land no matter from where we come but the aim is to see them happy and settled. That's one thing common in your homeland and my homeland unlike this country. Some things are better not discussed openly as it creates a commotion thats not really warranted for nor do you all want attention .......Its just because you all are so fed up and consumed with the renewals on your visa's that you do not have time to think any more beyond your business ,which is a CONSTANT pressure, and do not see a simple legal way to avoid your kids from aging out.Ofcourse it cannot be done alone you have to be involved as a BIG family..... and I did see that potential here before I had a thought on it .
Reach out sue and reecy and discuss it and see what you can do. Feel free to put forward your Q to me or as a matter os fact I will tell sue some new platform to talk it over too before you guys implement the scheme.
Ok
How can we all help each other so children do not age out in a legal simple way? or have no status at 21 years old?
Down the road maybe have an expats convention to discuss, what do you think?
I think there must be a way but maybe should not be openly discussed. I think that is what vip2002 is saying
truely My heart goes out to see you all in so much pain when it comes to your kids.

v2002

12-15-2006, 02:24 PM

;) This Information I can post on open forum....Its just an idea may be many of you may have thought about it but if evan one family have not given a thought and they like the Idea I guess my purpose of posting is fulfilled.
--as many of you have talked about childrens education after school I think those who have teenage kids in school should consider this .....
Find a good school in canada who will give the necessary education to your child in college and get your child in......your child will be accepted as F1 student without any swet as canadian colleges are easy to get in ....Once your kid gets admitted they break the cycle of being your dependent on E visa......
-Let them finish education and apply for canadian residency based on point system .......
-They can get job in canada for a while....
-you can set up a business relations with your kid for services....
-Your kid can apply to a US university on f visa for higher education.
-based on his/her education your kid can get job with american Co and come back here..
and so on and on.....Now you may say how the hell is that a good Idea?
Than I have only one thing you have only one option if you dont do anything for your kid and that is to send them back to UK .... but in this case as they are at canadian university that opens the tremendous opertunities and plenty of time to think what to do next ? and not to ferget THEY are so close TO YOU where you can visit them and they can VISIT you .
Where as UK will be far off and they dont get to come here.
ITS JUST A GOOD OPTION I THINK .........

Bobby

12-15-2006, 09:22 PM

That's a crazy idea, and I'd guess that it's not a path that anyone in their right mind is going to follow any time soon.

The whole reason for pursuit of an answer to aging out our kids is to keep them close to us at all times, not send them off to Canada for a few years so that they can then apply to come back over.

Now, don't get me wrong, this country has it's own importance to some people more than others, but I can't see anyone advocating that they "waste" a couple of years (extremely important years!), of their child's life in another country, at a college they wouldn't otherwise entertain, just so that they can get a visa to the US.

Bonkers! bleedin' bonkers ....you've all gone bonkers!

I've got a better idea. Let's all marry our daughters to Irish farmers and then apply for the Green Card Lottery. Then we can get them all divorced and split the Irish land between us! That's a better idea. Just as crazy, but ...hell! ..... YOU started it!

Bobby

Susie

12-15-2006, 09:43 PM

Hi Bobby,

I agree, a bit of a crazy idea but then who knows we could all end up that way. I promised I will be the first member

Really think we as a group must stay focused, little baby steps and concentrate on an amendment to CSPA/Dream act to protect ALL children from aging out and a compassioante visa

Hi vip,

I mean no harm and appreciate your comments

Kriz1

12-15-2006, 11:04 PM

A lady I knew in a yahoo group left her teenage son in the UK with his grandparents...he was nearly 16...he went to college..2 years...onto university 4 years with two 6 month stays in the USA at university... and surprised her not long ago by turning up on her doorstep here with a university place not far from her in the States...he is here for 4 years...with a chance at a Professorship after...she was saying he is not overly gifted...my brother in laws girlfriend did the same thing....he may end up being here longer than she is if E2s are being renewed like they are...

v2002

12-16-2006, 12:54 AM

See the problem here is that either you did not get my message correctly or You just lost the essence of the message……

That's a crazy idea, and I'd guess that it's not a path that anyone in their right mind is going to follow any time soon.
** Why is it crazy ? so you are telling me that people who send their kids abroad for study are NUTS ? and why would you baby sit your kids in college ?
Are you going to send your kids to college like DAY SCHOOL ?

The whole reason for pursuit of an answer to aging out our kids is to keep them close to us at all times,
**Remember we are talking about after school education?

not send them off to Canada for a few years…
**Not few years ---its for studies and since they are not barred to get F1 visa there like for USA as you are on E visa they are anyway going to leave you….(sorry to say) "here"…. To meet them is going to be one way route where as if they study in canada they can cross the border any time to visit you for all the weekends or vacations like normal kids do … as they are not bound with your E visa’s anymore.

so that they can then apply to come back over.
** Yes after they complete few years they can apply for US university for higher study or they can take up a job with US co.Or they can start their own business.

Now, don't get me wrong, this country has it's own importance to some people more than others, but I can't see anyone advocating that they "waste" a couple of years (extremely important years!), of their child's life in another country, at a college they wouldn't otherwise entertain, just so that they can get a visa to the US.
** Well I thought IT WAS MORE important for every one to make sure that the kids are not separated from families miles away …. And that THEY were more important….not the country .. don’t get me wrong I understand what you mean but you are taking my suggestion in wrong direction and I am NOT ADVOCATING any one.

Bonkers! bleedin' bonkers ....you've all gone bonkers!
** If any one gone Bonkers its me !!! Feel free to call me name’s .. But please don’t include everyone into it .. ITS MY IDEA not anybody else’s.

I've got a better idea. Let's all marry our daughters to Irish farmers and then apply for the Green Card Lottery.
** Why take that long RUN how about American kids? :)

Then we can get them all divorced and split the Irish land between us! That's a better idea. Just as crazy, but ...hell! ..... YOU started it!
** Of-course its on me , I am not going to run from it .
And don’t you miss its “ till you sort out what to do “ if you can resolve something between this time who stops you to bring your kids back here ? for example get yourself on GC.

That's a crazy idea, ...hell! ..... YOU started it!
Bobby

v2002

12-16-2006, 01:13 AM

Kriz1

12-16-2006, 03:09 AM

Well my son left home at 16.....he's grown up a lot in that time....sending kids to Canada for schooling at 18...seems like a plan to me...kids in the USA go to colleges thousands of miles away anyway.....my son was looking at one in CA...

haytonmac

12-16-2006, 02:17 PM

As crazy as this may seem surely its better to have your kids at least on them same continent (?) than over 5000 miles and 9 hrs plane ride away.Would it be any different to them going to uni in the UK somewhere ?they would be away from home anyway.While this isnt and issue for us I think it does deserve consideration after you get over how wacky it at first seems!!

InnVic

12-16-2006, 10:25 PM

....your not thinking smart at all here...this is what you do

why not go to Mexico apply for citizenship (just collect three crisp packets (or tortilla chips) and send in application) then change name to Miguel and Consuella. Cross border back to US illegally and get green card ...easy peasy.....Doh!~

v2002

12-16-2006, 10:31 PM

Yes InnVic You are right " I am not thinking smart ... like you .......
But guess what .....
I dont like telling ppl. to follow illegal route ... Only a smart guy like you will know that .
i am fine to be dumb to follow the legal solution. :)
....your not thinking smart at all here...this is what you do

why not go to Mexico apply for citizenship (just collect three crisp packets (or tortilla chips) and send in application) then change name to Miguel and Consuella. Cross border back to US illegally and get green card ...easy peasy.....Doh!~

Bobby

12-17-2006, 12:37 AM

InnVic,

Don't worry! ...... I got it!

Don't think that V2002 has his first language as English, so he seems to miss out on some of the subtle sarcasm and innuendo.

No offense V2002 but I'm not even sure what planet you are on sometimes, never mind what country you're from!!

Please enlighten us to your heritage, so that we may understand you better.

We are so pleased that you have joined us, but we don't know where you are from and what angle you look at Expats Voice from. Pray tell?

Bobby

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PS. I'm not a lawyer either!

v2002

12-17-2006, 12:50 AM

Bobby
If you want to twist the issue ? be my guest!
Everyone can see where you want this thread to go .. But sorry, I am not here to waste my time on you, By the way I am from this country and I don't use public forum, to lash at other's post - without knowing abc on subject.

If you dont like what I say " Please....don't read my post "

Bobby

12-17-2006, 02:39 AM

I'd be VERY surprised if your first language was English.

My point was directed mainly at InnVic, because it was clear that you didn't get the point of the post. That's because you don't REALLY understand our written word. It's clear from the way you put your sentences together that you speak another language.
Now, let's not fall out, or make anyone else reading think that we are playing games. Tell us all what language you are more familiar with and we can all move on and accept your posts for what they are.

Thanks,

Bobby
_______________________
Regards
:) Please note I am not a lawyer either .....:)

v2002

12-17-2006, 07:17 AM

Bobby
Please remember this forum is to share information on immigration problems not getting into personal arguments or disagreements, if you cannot respect opinion of other member and stoop down to suggestive smirks and crude remarks than as a responsible member of this forum I do not intend to go any further. Please refrain from making any further comments that are personal in nature. I have read your earlier posts on this forum and know that you are very fond of picking up on people I will not respond back to your silly posts and Gratify your ego. If you want to debate be constructive by contributing on immigration,If you find that is too difficult subject for you please do not waste my time any further on this. GROW up!!!!

Bobby

12-17-2006, 10:58 AM

Please accept my sincere apologies if you thought I was picking on you. Not my intention at all. There's nothing personal in asking someone what their first language is, but if you feel that there is, ....again, I'm sorry.
So far you have posted in riddles and rhymes so I just don't understand where you are coming from. Perhaps I'm not smart enough to understand, but I put it down to you not using English as a first language. If I am wrong, then I'm sorry, because of course, that could be taken as an insult, and that wasn't meant.

If I have to read the posts you make, then I'd at least like to understand them.
Now as I said, let's not fall out or let anyone reading think we are playing games.

Let's get on with the immigration issues.

Your idea still sucks! ;)

Kind Regards,

Bobby

charliesmum

12-17-2006, 01:40 PM

Can't our kid's get International Student Visas to go to colleges here in the US.

That has always been my understanding, that if we are on E2s, our kids are able to go that way. Maybe more expensive for the college but they are covered till 21 on the E2, then go for the last year on F1. They are then allowed to stay for a year and get a job and hopefully be sponsored by their company.

Is that route not open to us - it is how I have always thought our kid's future's would pan out - that's why we were so keen for them to go the International Baccaleureate School so they could go to good colleges.

Zoe

Emmalee25

12-17-2006, 02:24 PM

Hi Zoe,
yes that is a definite route, and for kids that can get a degree in a sort after subject id the perfect way, as they should be swooped up by companies wishing to sponsor for a H1b, prob is with kids that may not be so educated or wish to follow a certain type of employment that could gain a H1b, as we know H1b is a limited visa, only x amount per year for each country!

I think there needs to be an easier way of protecting the kids from ageing out, dont think i could send my son to Canada! im far too protective!!! he'll hate me when he's 18...lol :p

Em x

Kriz1

12-17-2006, 04:09 PM

I'm happy to send my kids to Canada....in fact I'd be happy to send them anywhere ...maybe I've had mine a lot longer than any of you...but I can't wait till they move out for good...:D :D

Emmalee25

12-17-2006, 05:32 PM

LOL Kriz,
my baby is only 3!!! maybe ill feel the same when he's 16! i know id be happy for my 11 year old brother to go to canada for good......TODAY!
Em x

v2002

12-17-2006, 07:39 PM

Bobby
I am sure it was not your intention to pick up on me but there is a way to put forward your thoughts together and you certainly did not pick a polite decent way of doing so.

The reason I put my post in riddles was because I did not feel right to post the alternative on public forum.If you read other's post you should remember one members post advising “think before you hit that send button "I thought this forum was friendly and open to find legal avenues to problems that immigration system have in place but apparently there are people who do not come up with any solution but do not hesitate to mock at others effort to help. I am not here to teach English literature or grammar to anyone, I keep my post in points unlike you who like post only to criticize people with long paragraphs.

If you find my post hard to understand too bad, either you are completely ignorant of immigration laws or you are just not interested in getting involved with any constructive idea put forward by someone YOU think otherwise.
Regards

chris

12-17-2006, 08:37 PM

Zoe suggested the student visa post 21 for kids of E2 visa holders. There is a lady on another forum that's just gone back to the UK after giving up on her L renewal. Her son is 21 and was applying for a student visa to tide him through to 21. Their VA advised that it would be in the interests of the son if his parents were not resident in the US and the embassy would have difficulty in approving the stucent visa as the son would not be able to prove strong enough links to the UK. If you take that them and apply it to E2, then you may as well leave before your kids are 21, because the embassy are going to deny on grounds of insufficent links to UK. If you're on an E2 approved by London and London asks where the parents are and then deny on the grounds insufficient links to UK cos ma & pa are and have been in the US for x years on E2 visa then it absolutely the laws of the nuthouse at work.

InnVic

12-17-2006, 08:55 PM

Yes InnVic You are right " I am not thinking smart ... like you .......
But guess what .....
I dont like telling ppl. to follow illegal route ... Only a smart guy like you will know that .
i am fine to be dumb to follow the legal solution. :)

I had thought that the "collect three crisp packets" line would have made it apparent that my post was with tongue firmly placed in cheek :-)

v2002

12-17-2006, 09:06 PM

Yes Innvic I did get your message loud and clear as you intended, and that’s the reason you did not find me complaining, infect my reply to you was also "with tongue firmly placed in cheek " sorry I did not add products to emphasize that.:)
I had thought that the "collect three crisp packets" line would have made it apparent that my post was with tongue firmly placed in cheek :-)

charliesmum

12-17-2006, 09:16 PM

Chris

I think the difference with Julie was that they had started the Green Card route. Obviously that shows intent to stay. I'm afraid I feel that who ever advised them to change to L1 and go that route should be shot. Yes the fees will be higher as an International student, but my understanding is that they don't have to do that for all 4 years.

We haven't looked into this fully yet - once we get our renewal it will be the first thing we start investigating.

Zoe

Kriz1

12-17-2006, 09:21 PM

Julie took a long shot to keep her son here and get him a greencard...it did not work...but it could of...it looks like Matt got his visa to return Friday.....that could have him back in the USA very soon...

v2002

12-18-2006, 04:26 AM

Zoe

Dependents of E2 visa can certainly go to college without paying International tuition, they will pay In-state tuition except for two states in U.S. But only till they are under 21, the moment they finish 20th birthday they loose that privilege.(The 20 to 21 age is under gray area depends how the school administrator interprets that)
E2 kids cannot have change of status while in US from B2 to F1 visa they will have to go back to UK to get visa, the process for student visa is clumsy and time consuming- application process starts in Jan/Feb to begin study for academic year in fall semester (Aug).
Applicant will have to fulfill the requirements of I-20 which requires them to show intend to go back by showing strong ties to their respective country. They will need paper work like property records 2 to 3 years income tax papers and sufficient funds available in advance to cover the tuition/boarding & lodging for entire college years (not just one year) If one is able to get all this in order, the big question pops up at consulate. One is required to check out the part on visa application as well as I-20 form where applicant will provide parents residence the moment visa officer see your parents run business here he/she will deny visa. Once your passport is stamped you have to wait for at least two years to apply again.

At the most one can study for two years of college in the time frame available under the E2 visa provision, that means given a full load of study the student will accrue 15 to 18 credit hrs per semester (fulltime) and may be 6 credit hrs during summer break that sums up to 42 credits per year. In two years a student will have at least 72-to 84-credit hrs (depending on his/her workload). When you end up having problem in getting F1 visa the new university where ever the student will end up for continuing the remaining years of his/her undergrad school will not transfer all the credits accumulated earlier, as every college have a policy on how many credits can be transferred from other school. The policy of limited credit transfer applies even when you change school within U.S.

That is the reason why I tried to show you an option to break the cycle of E2.Of course if you want your child to attend a two-year college in USA it is no problem at all provided He/she complete the study under the age of 21. But than, that does not allow them to stay any further.

punky

12-18-2006, 01:19 PM

Can I remind everyone again that personal comments (whether in post or PM) aren't allowed. As this thread is descending fast, I am going to close it for a little while to allow things to settle and consult the team and decide if any comments should be pruned any out and/or further action taken.

Thread temporarily closed.

Susie

12-19-2006, 04:38 AM

Hello Friends

Sorry been busy and only just had a chance to read through postings I had missed

With regards to H1B visa, providing E 2 children are bright enough to get to university or parents able to afford the costs, all well and good. But beleive that even if the children are lucky enough to get a got offer, they may not suit the job or employer suit the child. It may well be that two out of three children are able to obtain a degree and job offer, but what if one child is unable to pass these exams or get a job offer ?

It is my understanding that the H1B visa goes with the job offer, so if made redundant what then as I do not beleive the H1B is transferable to new job offer. I also beleive that the H1B is for max 7 years, am I correct? I do know that if employer is willing, them the employer can sponser employee for I 140 and green card

Need to read up more on H1B, as its been a long time since I last did and rules may have changed.

With regards to protecting children from aging out (E2 dependants) I do understand what vip is saying, maybe because I have known that person for a while and used to they way of posting

I am sure what vip is saying is #think outside the box# in other words as us Brits understand #Use your loaf#

As a large group I do have ideas for the future to protect children from loosing status at 21 years. If we cannot obtain a CV (Compassionate visa) within the next three years or sooner and all will be revealed in due course and will be made public if necessary

Again, I beleive the way forward is by staying focused on obtaining a compassionate visa and re-writing statues for the CSPA (Child status protection Act) and Dream act to protect all children aging out and also a CV

We are a new forum that needs to grow but must take baby steps, grow the site, raise awareness, media support, marketing and expanding our site and committee pulling together

I am sorry the minutes of the last two meetings are not posted yet. This was due to Pat's operation and Bingo night but the last two sets of minutes should be posted by the end of the week.

Polite reminder, please no personal comments about any member.